Dutch parliament refuses ACTA secrecy while the EU parliament meets in secret
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Re: Dutch parliament refuses ACTA secrecy while the EU parliament meets in secret
#2After the election failure of the Dutch Pirate Party in june 2010, slowly but steadily parliament members are starting to make sense. The GreenLeft (GroenLinks) and democrats (D66) have the most pro-internet civil rights stances. That a D66 parliament member states no ACTA secrecy can exist confirms this.
Some statements from other more conservative parties (like CDA (Christian), VVD (classical conservative)) even smell to very, very, very small babysteps in understanding civil rights on the net. Still, too much idiocy comes from them (VVD actively supporting dutch equivalent of MPAA, CDA supporting censorship). But I do notice a slow movement towards understanding the net, and how civil rights should be protected on the net.
Re: Dutch parliament refuses ACTA secrecy while the EU parliament meets in secret
#3Another day to be proud of our Dutch representatives.
Re: Dutch parliament refuses ACTA secrecy while the EU parliament meets in secret
#4Go BitsofFreedom!! :-D
And why the downvote below for HnNoPassMailer? All he said was correct. Was it the "failure of the Dutch Pirate Party" bit? Because they did fail. The German and Swedish Pirate Parties are excellent, but ours just keep blundering on public relations, they're geeks with great ideals but they're not politicians. Maybe they should partner up with BitsofFreedom or something, BOF.nl seems to know how to handle publicity.
Re: Dutch parliament refuses ACTA secrecy while the EU parliament meets in secret
#5Go BitsofFreedom!! :-D And why the downvote below for HnNoPassMailer? All he said was correct. Was it the "failure of the Dutch Pirate Party" bit? Because they did fail. The German and Swedish Pirate Parties are excellent, but ours just keep blundering on public relations, they're geeks with great ideals but they're not politicians. Maybe they should partner up with BitsofFreedom or something, BOF.nl seems to know ho…
I didn't even see HnNoPassMailer until I turned on showdead, and after I did I only saw an upvote link, not a downvote link. I think it's some feature of HN.
Re: Dutch parliament refuses ACTA secrecy while the EU parliament meets in secret
#6ACTA means EU would have to use US's copyright laws, right? So if SOPA passes, doesn't that mean US would be able to do the same thing in EU? Didn't EU Parliament vote just a few days ago that they are against SOPA? Talk about being inconsistent.
Re: Dutch parliament refuses ACTA secrecy while the EU parliament meets in secret
#7Go BitsofFreedom!! :-D And why the downvote below for HnNoPassMailer? All he said was correct. Was it the "failure of the Dutch Pirate Party" bit? Because they did fail. The German and Swedish Pirate Parties are excellent, but ours just keep blundering on public relations, they're geeks with great ideals but they're not politicians. Maybe they should partner up with BitsofFreedom or something, BOF.nl seems to know ho…
BoF (Dutch EFF equivalent) won't teamup with any political entity as to keep their neutral stance. They won't be able to be viewed as neutral when they make comparisons between political parties as seen from a digital civil rights perspective. For example, the made a comparison chart how privacy is handled by the various parties (we have about 10 relevant parties here in NL). That being said, they did kept a close watch on PPNL's movements.
Re: Dutch parliament refuses ACTA secrecy while the EU parliament meets in secret
#8Go BitsofFreedom!! :-D And why the downvote below for HnNoPassMailer? All he said was correct. Was it the "failure of the Dutch Pirate Party" bit? Because they did fail. The German and Swedish Pirate Parties are excellent, but ours just keep blundering on public relations, they're geeks with great ideals but they're not politicians. Maybe they should partner up with BitsofFreedom or something, BOF.nl seems to know ho…
Perhaps it's because of the following:
"The GreenLeft (GroenLinks) and democrats (D66) have the most pro-internet civil rights stances."
G-d only knows what a "pro-internet stance" is, but I suspect HnNoPassMailer was referring to the fight for net neutrality and online privacy, and against data retention and censorship.
If that's the case, the Socialist Party (SP) and the Party for the Animals (PvdD) have the most "pro-internet civil rights stances".
The best way to measure this is to look at how elected officials vote on those issues [1].
Re: Dutch parliament refuses ACTA secrecy while the EU parliament meets in secret
#9Go BitsofFreedom!! :-D And why the downvote below for HnNoPassMailer? All he said was correct. Was it the "failure of the Dutch Pirate Party" bit? Because they did fail. The German and Swedish Pirate Parties are excellent, but ours just keep blundering on public relations, they're geeks with great ideals but they're not politicians. Maybe they should partner up with BitsofFreedom or something, BOF.nl seems to know ho…
Perhaps it's because of the following: "The GreenLeft (GroenLinks) and democrats (D66) have the most pro-internet civil rights stances." G-d only knows what a "pro-internet stance" is, but I suspect HnNoPassMailer was referring to the fight for net neutrality and online privacy, and against data retention and censorship. If that's the case, the Socialist Party (SP) and the Party for the Animals (PvdD) have the most "…
I think the phrase parses as
pro (internet civil rights) stanceRe: Dutch parliament refuses ACTA secrecy while the EU parliament meets in secret
#10Go BitsofFreedom!! :-D And why the downvote below for HnNoPassMailer? All he said was correct. Was it the "failure of the Dutch Pirate Party" bit? Because they did fail. The German and Swedish Pirate Parties are excellent, but ours just keep blundering on public relations, they're geeks with great ideals but they're not politicians. Maybe they should partner up with BitsofFreedom or something, BOF.nl seems to know ho…
I didn't even see HnNoPassMailer until I turned on showdead, and after I did I only saw an upvote link, not a downvote link. I think it's some feature of HN.
His/her last two comments seem to be dead, which might suggest he/she's been banned and has his/her comments now autodeaded. I don't see anything obvious in the comment/submission history that'd explain why there'd be a ban, but I don't really know how these things work.