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Germany's €9 transit ticket cuts 1.8 million tonnes of CO2

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Re: Germany's €9 transit ticket cuts 1.8 million tonnes of CO2

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Post by robertlagrant »

kuschku wrote: post #38
izacus wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I seriously doubt diesels were ever bought to "lower their CO2 emissions". At no point in time there was ever doubt that diesels were the more polluting option. People bought diesels due to their lower consumption per 100km and lower diesel prices in comparison to 95.

> I seriously doubt diesels were ever bought to "lower their CO2 emissions". At no point in time there was ever doubt that diesels were the more polluting option. That's two entirely independent statements. VW Diesels do produce lower CO2 emissions. But when building an engine, there's a tradeoff: the leaner it burns, the lower the CO2 emissions and the higher the NOx emissions. The Diesel scandal was about NOx.

That's it. The UK government incentivised low CO2, i.e. diesel, so lots of diesels were bought, then after dieselgate there was lots of condemnation of diesels.

Re: Germany's €9 transit ticket cuts 1.8 million tonnes of CO2

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Post by robertlagrant »

Semaphor wrote: post #48
izacus wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I seriously doubt diesels were ever bought to "lower their CO2 emissions". At no point in time there was ever doubt that diesels were the more polluting option. People bought diesels due to their lower consumption per 100km and lower diesel prices in comparison to 95.

> At no point in time there was ever doubt that diesels were the more polluting option. Now I never closely looked into this as I never planned on owning a car, but until then just from what I picked up reading newspapers and things (in Germany), I actually assumed they were the more environmentally friendly option.

It just depends on whether you want CO2 (bad for planet) or NOx and particulates (bad for nearby humans). With ICE cars you just have to choose.

Re: Germany's €9 transit ticket cuts 1.8 million tonnes of CO2

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Post by Semaphor »

robertlagrant wrote: post #72
Semaphor wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> At no point in time there was ever doubt that diesels were the more polluting option. Now I never closely looked into this as I never planned on owning a car, but until then just from what I picked up reading newspapers and things (in Germany), I actually assumed they were the more environmentally friendly option.

It just depends on whether you want CO2 (bad for planet) or NOx and particulates (bad for nearby humans). With ICE cars you just have to choose.

Nothing I read back then (again, without going deep) had that kind of granularity. It was all bad vs good ;)

Re: Germany's €9 transit ticket cuts 1.8 million tonnes of CO2

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Post by robertlagrant »

Semaphor wrote: post #73
robertlagrant wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It just depends on whether you want CO2 (bad for planet) or NOx and particulates (bad for nearby humans). With ICE cars you just have to choose.

Nothing I read back then (again, without going deep) had that kind of granularity. It was all bad vs good ;)

Yes, quite. That's what happens when "journalism" becomes a generic thing you can study, instead of experts in a field becoming journalists in that field. All your news sources barely know what they're writing about.

Old man rant over.

Re: Germany's €9 transit ticket cuts 1.8 million tonnes of CO2

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Post by martin_a »

stjohnswarts wrote: post #59
martin_a wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1) The 9 € ticket wasn't about CO2 reduction, it was about providing cheap(er) public transportation for the masses. 2) Even 10 billion is not really much money for a state like Germany. If the 9 € ticket, or a successor, would be rolled out permanently you'd expect savings in different areas which could make up for the additional cost of a subsidized ticket. Make the ticket 30 €/month and you'll only have a third of…

What it didn't show is "name a price" so that the tax payer can know what they're getting back for the money.

What do you mean by that?

Re: Germany's €9 transit ticket cuts 1.8 million tonnes of CO2

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Post by monopoliessuck »

googlryas wrote: post #52
monopoliessuck wrote: post #46

Tangential, but why is it so hard in 2022 to make your simple article load without JavaScript? No reader mode either.

Well, because the served page is just a shell, and the actual article content is served via a separate graphql query. Obviously the only way to do it! For content like this (ie not actually interactive content that might require javascript), I send it to archive.ph, and then almost always you can load the page in readermode or at least with javascript disabled)

Thanks for the archive.ph tip! That's a pretty neat trick. I'll try that out going forward.

Re: Germany's €9 transit ticket cuts 1.8 million tonnes of CO2

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Post by monopoliessuck »

stjohnswarts wrote: post #60
monopoliessuck wrote: post #46

Tangential, but why is it so hard in 2022 to make your simple article load without JavaScript? No reader mode either.

It's not hard, but you're probably not their target audience so they don't care. The best you can do these days is to either use a compromise like and archive.org plugin or ublock origin.

I use uBlock Origin to block all Javascript by default with custom rules for websites that need it. IMO, articles aren't websites that need an exception, but that's changing more and more every day. I'm definitely not their target audience, agreed.
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