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Where I'm at, we hear a lot more about the British monarchs than any other monarchs. For instance, I just found out that Norway, for instance, also has a monarch. So does Sweden (?), and several other countries. But they — the Nordic monarchs — are unheard of in my country, and don't seem to have the same level of influence internationally. Is that your experience as well? (FWIW, my country was a former British colon…

Yes, but I'm British

I imagine the reason is because the Queen is part of the national identity of the UK, much more than the other European countries.

Millions visit London annualy to visit Buckingham Palace - the Queen is a symbol of Britain.

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As someone whose people and grandparents suffered under British rule, really don’t care. British imperialism is a bloodstain that I’m not gonna just forget about because the smile behind the menace has passed.

As someone in the same situation I find this opinion to be equivalent to a Vietnamese man telling everyone he is reminded of the Vietnam war on the day that Barack Obama dies.

A lot of colonial atrocities happened during Elizabeth II's reign, directly under her rule. Afaik, Vietnam War was well over when Barack Obama became president.

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It's weird, I've never considered myself a "royalist" but this news has affected me quite strongly. I just burst into tears unexpectedly on hearing this news and I don't quite understand why I feel so very sad. I guess I have grown up and lived my whole life (as a Brit) seeing and hearing the Queen, singing "God save the Queen" etc, and this news made me suddenly feel very old, very nostalgic, with the sense that all…

Would you guys change the national anthem?

Yes it immediately changed to God Save the King.

Re: Queen Elizabeth II has died

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As a long time lurker and infrequent poster, I am positively revolted by moderation's handling of this topic. Under the guise of "disallowing flamebait" HN's moderation team has systematically driven out anyone expressing negative opinions of an individual. At the start of this topic, there was a diversity of viewpoints[0] but now there is only trite, non-intellectually gratifying comments praising the queen or expre…

Lots of comments in this thread have been expressing negative opinions. The only issue is that such comments need to remain within the site guidelines (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html). Those rules don't get suspended when people feel strongly for legitimate reasons—if we did that, we might as well not have the rules at all.

It's true that there's an asymmetry in that it's much easier for the people making positive comments not to break the site guidelines. In a way that's not fair—but it applies to all threads equally, regardless of whether the topic is monarchy or something else. It's also an unfairness we can't do much about—it's intrinsic to the problem of how to operate this forum.

We do try to make special allowances for negative comments that break the site guidelines but also include enough information to explain why the person feels the way they do, in a way other commenters can learn from. I did that in a few cases in this thread. What we don't make special allowances for is garden-variety flamewar, which there was also a ton of in this thread.

If you see comments that did not break the site guidelines but were moderated anyhow, that's bad and I'd like to see links so we can correct our mistakes (or, in the case of user flags, user mistakes). Mistakes are inevitable when trying to moderate threads with 1500 comments or whatever; moderation is guesswork, and hasty guesswork at that. But we're always willing to take a second look, and when we do see a mistake, to acknowledge it and fix it.

Re: Queen Elizabeth II has died

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Wow, this got to 1,000 comments super fast. What is the record for the most comments on a Hacker News thread?

Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S. - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25015967 - Nov 2020 (4576 comments)

Not a very interesting answer, but there you have it.

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Fun facts: - She ruled for 30% of the time since the American Revolution - She oversaw the largest reduction of landholdings of any empire in the history of the world. Notable because it was also one of the most peaceful transitions in history -- Australia, Canada, South Africa, Israel, Egypt, etc. - She oversaw the loss of Sterling the world reserve currency and the rise of another (the USD, EU).

> She oversaw the largest reduction of landholdings of any empire in the history of the world. Notable because it was also one of the most peaceful transitions in history -- Australia, Canada, South Africa, Israel, Egypt, etc. The peaceful diminishing of an empire should be remembered as one of the most remarkable achievements during her reign, a striking contrast to world leaders past and present who seek the revers…

I'm not generally a fan of US foreign policy, but this one is actually mostly to their credit, and not the late queen's.

Where it was up to the queen and her government, it wasn't all that peaceful.

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All the comments about the monarchy in this thread miss the point that she is seen as a mother figure of the nation.

The maternal figure head for the UK, a commentator on twitter put it well saying "It felt like we all lost our Grandmother"

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I feel the same. I think it’s because it really represents the end of an era. The 20th and early 21st century ushered in unprecedented improvements to quality of life in Britain but it has felt of late that that has peaked and the country is facing a serious decline: Brexit, the increasingly visible effects of climate change, the aftermath of covid, the possible break up of the union, rising costs of living, recessio…

'Long period of stability' since WW1? WW2? The Cold War? Maybe you're young, but this 'feeling of stability' really has only happened since 1991. I remember before that, and it was very scary living with the Soviet Union and all those countries with nukes pointed at us. Also, the 1960s-1980s wrought huge economic change, as the last phase of major 'Democratic Socialist' changes occurred, desegregation/civil rights in…

Soft agree with you about the secular ideologies, I keep wondering if the alternative was actually better. Pre globalization with hard borders, little travel, suspicious of your neighbours, long distance travel reserved for the rich. Is the old situation of social pressure to comply to local social norms better? I am not so hot about the culture of places with abject poverty. As you correctly pointed out it's amazing for a poor kid from Hyderabad or rather millions of other poor kids from similar places. I don't think there can be any kind of positive culture without peace, jobs and people getting along well.
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