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Widespread misperceptions of long-term attitude change

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Re: Widespread misperceptions of long-term attitude change

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The actual title is > Widespread misperceptions of long-term attitude change Not "Study: Americans consistently overestimate how much culture has changed." And from the abstract > Participants overestimated the amount of change on 29 attitudes (57%), underestimated change on 10 attitudes (20%), estimated change in the wrong direction on 10 attitudes (20%), and estimated change correctly on only two attitudes (4%). (o…

Sorry, I based the submission title from a press repost, but wanted to link the original source, which apparently had a different title.

Re: Widespread misperceptions of long-term attitude change

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The actual title is > Widespread misperceptions of long-term attitude change Not "Study: Americans consistently overestimate how much culture has changed." And from the abstract > Participants overestimated the amount of change on 29 attitudes (57%), underestimated change on 10 attitudes (20%), estimated change in the wrong direction on 10 attitudes (20%), and estimated change correctly on only two attitudes (4%). (o…

Sorry, I based the submission title from a press repost, but wanted to link the original source, which apparently had a different title.

That shouldn't be permitted, otherwise everything can be submitted with any arbitrary title: you just submit the original with the title you used to link to it in your personal blog.

Re: Widespread misperceptions of long-term attitude change

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Is there a difference in the 2 major parties anymore? I seriously don't know which parry you're referring to.

The only people I ever see asking that are right-wing pundits trying to convince left-leaning voters not to bother voting, and occasionally burned-out centrists who've fallen for it. I've never seen a serious left-wing voter/activist/politician come out with the claim that "well, the right are just as bad as we are". "We are not so different, you and I" is always the last-ditch claim of the villain, knowing that they…

I've noticed there is a tendency among folks on the left (and for all I know it's also true of folks on the right) where people who do as you say are cast out and labeled "centrists", creating a dynamic where internal criticism is silenced.

I speak as someone who self-identified as on the left for many years, but no longer feels comfortable doing so because of how incurious and closed off to criticism the left has become.

Re: Widespread misperceptions of long-term attitude change

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Any examples? IIRC, many such orders signed by Trump were immediately undone or at the very least drastically watered down by Biden.

The Patriot Act was an executive order

Are you sure? Because I distinctly remember only Senator Feingold voting against it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Act

Re: Widespread misperceptions of long-term attitude change

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And they overestimate how badly the “other” political party is ruining the country when they’re in power.

I don't know about that. Something like an executive order can have effects years after someone is gone, momentum builds and it takes effort for a successor to undo it. To say nothing about lifetime court appointments. Not just in the supreme court either.

All federal judges are lifetime.

https://www.uscourts.gov/judges-judgeships/about-federal-jud...

https://thehill.com/regulation/3631564-five-things-to-know-a...

Re: Widespread misperceptions of long-term attitude change

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, I based the submission title from a press repost, but wanted to link the original source, which apparently had a different title.

That shouldn't be permitted, otherwise everything can be submitted with any arbitrary title: you just submit the original with the title you used to link to it in your personal blog.

I'm copping to a goof is what I'm saying. I was submitting the article then thought, "oh, I should probably deep link the actual research article" but still used the original title I had typed in.

Re: Widespread misperceptions of long-term attitude change

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any examples? IIRC, many such orders signed by Trump were immediately undone or at the very least drastically watered down by Biden.

The Patriot Act was an executive order

The Patriot Act is law, enacted by the 107th United States Congress.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Act

You can tell because of the word “act” which refer to it being a formal legislative action.

Re: Widespread misperceptions of long-term attitude change

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I don't know about that. Something like an executive order can have effects years after someone is gone, momentum builds and it takes effort for a successor to undo it. To say nothing about lifetime court appointments. Not just in the supreme court either.

Any examples? IIRC, many such orders signed by Trump were immediately undone or at the very least drastically watered down by Biden.

Not an executive order, but what led to the 2009 financial crisis was mostly done under the Clinton administration.

Honestly I think this is something us humans are really bad at (well we're known to be bad at this). Understanding causal effects through time. Not only are we bad at understanding causal facts but we're really bad at being forward thinking and understanding temporal phenomena.

But I think the main point that the gp is making is that most of the things that happen under a president aren't really felt till well after they have left office. Many wins that presidents have are due to effects from former presidents. Like both Obama and Trump got praised for high S&P 500 values at the beginning of their presidencies. Obama came in after a big crash. There's also no way Trump could be a causal factor for growth in the first 3 months of his presidency. You can't really have that kind of effect that early on. Yes these presidents contributed to these markets, but it would be naive to say that the growth was because of them. Or we can look at the long lasting effects of Regan. Or even Civil Rights and Johnson. While there was more immediate consequences under both these presidents there were also very long term effects that we still see today.

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