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After a Legal Fight, Oberlin Says It Will Pay $36.59M to a Local Bakery

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Re: After a Legal Fight, Oberlin Says It Will Pay $36.59M to a Local Bakery

#11

Is there more to this story? I'm honestly pretty shocked by this. The college basically got into hot water for having its Dean show up at a protest holding a flyer.

Oberlin drove the bakery out of business while knowing full well that the bakery did nothing wrong. The kid that got caught shoplifting plead guilty and he also outright stated that racism was not involved.

Re: After a Legal Fight, Oberlin Says It Will Pay $36.59M to a Local Bakery

#12

Is there more to this story? I'm honestly pretty shocked by this. The college basically got into hot water for having its Dean show up at a protest holding a flyer.

> Gibson’s also presented testimony that Oberlin had stopped ordering from the bakery but had offered to restore its business if charges were dropped against the three students or if the bakery gave students accused of shoplifting special treatment, which it refused to do

It's a lot more than that.

Re: After a Legal Fight, Oberlin Says It Will Pay $36.59M to a Local Bakery

#13
post #8

This case is so egregious, in a just world there would be a criminal case too. 2 members of the bakery family have died as Oberlin has dragged this out.

Died of what? Emotional stress? Financial hardship? (Just asking)

Re: After a Legal Fight, Oberlin Says It Will Pay $36.59M to a Local Bakery

#14

Is there more to this story? I'm honestly pretty shocked by this. The college basically got into hot water for having its Dean show up at a protest holding a flyer.

Yes, there is much more to the story. This is going to be one sided, but this is a faq from the plantiffs with plenty of examples of what the dean was doing; far far beyond just handing out flyers.

https://www.lawlion.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/UPDATED-F...

Re: After a Legal Fight, Oberlin Says It Will Pay $36.59M to a Local Bakery

#15

Is there more to this story? I'm honestly pretty shocked by this. The college basically got into hot water for having its Dean show up at a protest holding a flyer.

Oberlin drove the bakery out of business while knowing full well that the bakery did nothing wrong. The kid that got caught shoplifting plead guilty and he also outright stated that racism was not involved.

This doesn't necessarily go against your point, but I have seen far too many innocent people coerced into pleading guilty to actually believe someone is guilty based on a guilty plea.

Re: After a Legal Fight, Oberlin Says It Will Pay $36.59M to a Local Bakery

#16
post #8

This case is so egregious, in a just world there would be a criminal case too. 2 members of the bakery family have died as Oberlin has dragged this out.

Died of what? Emotional stress? Financial hardship? (Just asking)

Age.

Re: After a Legal Fight, Oberlin Says It Will Pay $36.59M to a Local Bakery

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post #7
post #2

“ The message to other colleges is to have the intestinal fortitude to be the adult in the room” That seems to be the most apt conclusion. Being an educational institution should involve more than just indulging the students. It should also challenge them and be measured in their responses to events, even if that means being unpopular with students.

Being an educational institution should involve more than just indulging the students The Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression (FIRE) free-speech rankings seem like a good proxy for this: https://www.thefire.org/research/publications/student-survey...

https://rankings.thefire.org/rank/school/oberlin-college:

  Ranking #135, Speech Climate: Slightly Below Average
So, pretty normal.

Re: After a Legal Fight, Oberlin Says It Will Pay $36.59M to a Local Bakery

#19
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oberlin drove the bakery out of business while knowing full well that the bakery did nothing wrong. The kid that got caught shoplifting plead guilty and he also outright stated that racism was not involved.

This doesn't necessarily go against your point, but I have seen far too many innocent people coerced into pleading guilty to actually believe someone is guilty based on a guilty plea.

Sure, that happens. But it's most likely when the accused has too few resources to win at trial. Here the college was clearly in their corner. Why would they plead guilty and say racism was no part of it? Their statements seems very credible under the circumstances.

Re: After a Legal Fight, Oberlin Says It Will Pay $36.59M to a Local Bakery

#20
post #8

This case is so egregious, in a just world there would be a criminal case too. 2 members of the bakery family have died as Oberlin has dragged this out.

Died of what? Emotional stress? Financial hardship? (Just asking)

Cancer and old age, IIRC. The author of this story implies that the drawn out saga may have contributed to the cancer death. [1]

1: https://www.commonsense.news/p/will-i-ever-see-the-36-millio...

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