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Or using a chat app of some sort. I was surprised that in USA sms is still used.
I do not know a single person in the USA that does not use WhatsApp. It must be older Americans who have zero international connections that are oblivious to other chat apps. Asians, Latinos, Europeans, Africans, Canadians, everyone is using WhatsApp (or iMessage). No one would pay for exorbitant international SMS/MMS costs.
Tim Cook's response to Android texting compatibility: 'buy your mom an iPhone'
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Re: Tim Cook's response to Android texting compatibility: 'buy your mom an iPhone'
#172Why is iMessage even an issue? All phones can send conventional texts to each other
The average Joe does not know the difference between SMS and the more advanced features that iMessage offers when messaging withing the apple ecosystem. All they see is that androids are unable to send high quality images, send reactions etc.
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#173Earlier quoted context omitted.
Oh I have a decent handle on that I think:) I mean if your mom is texting with SMS, she’s in North America. If she’s texting with a lot of iPhone users your family is in a certain economic position already. If you are on this site you are in a certain economic position and get called in for a lot of family tech support. If your mom has an android, supporting it is probably not worth your time in terms of the hourly r…
No GP is right. You say: > It’s objectively better unless you are harboring some irrational grudge. That seems absurd. I'm in NA, and economically could buy an iphone. Most of the text messages I send are automated in a ruby script that runs in termux. I also have a few apps that I use that make my life easier, but require being side loaded as well as rooted. Are you really saying that iphone would be objectively bet…
The context of my comment was important in that it was a response to Cook’s response about buying the questioner’s elderly mother an iPhone. It is an objectively better UX for that person. It is a product obsessively made for that person.
The context in language is important. It is impossible for me to have been giving a universal axiom because Android developers exist and an iPhone would not be objectively better for that.
Re: Tim Cook's response to Android texting compatibility: 'buy your mom an iPhone'
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They've released whats obtainable through imessages "encryption". If it was so important to Apple that their users privacy matters to them, they'd give people a way to cross platform encryption. Apple iMessage Message content limited. Subpoena: can render basic subscriber information. 18 USC §2703(d): can render 25 days of iMessage lookups and from a target number. Pen Register: no capability. *Search Warrant: can re…
What you're saying is that Apple complies with the law and that iCloud is not encrypted by default. iMessages are still encrypted end to end. We surely don't desire Apple to take on the American government and win. I assume you're also not saying that because iMessages isn't anti-FBI secure, that we mind as well go fully unsecured? It's not Apple's obligation to force Google to submit to Apple's encryption protocols,…
second it's not apples obligation to force encryption, but if they really cared about your privacy it's as easy as releasing iMessage for Android.
Apple won't even talk about compatibility for Android so technically it is on Apple to offer a solution if they really cared
Third you brought up encryption not me
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iMessage sends high quality pictures and videos, try to send a video thru mms and it is unusable. iMessage also has read receipts, you can see if they are typing. iMessage works over wifi without a cellular connection (which was a big deal, but I believe carries now support this for android phones) Also iMessage automatically just works by default. You don't download an app and make an account. So for anybody who is…
> iMessage sends high quality pictures and videos, try to send a video thru mms and it is unusable. iMessage also has read receipts, you can see if they are typing. iMessage works over wifi without a cellular connection (which was a big deal, but I believe carries now support this for android phones) To add to what you're saying: RCS (which everyone except Apple uses) offers all of those things as well, and offers th…
iMessage still has some features that RCS doesn't, and Apple had a 10 year head start on integrating these features into their phones.
Re: Tim Cook's response to Android texting compatibility: 'buy your mom an iPhone'
#176Re: Tim Cook's response to Android texting compatibility: 'buy your mom an iPhone'
#177Thankfully, shit like this will soon be illegal in the EU when the Digital Markets Act hits. Hopefully they'll plug all the loopholes and actually enforce it. I don't understand how anyone can defend business practices like this, which are exclusively there for the purpose of platform lock-in.
Since when did Apple have any obligation to provide iMessage to Android users? 10 years ago? Now? I think Tim Cook is spot on here. Get an iPhone for your grandma if she wants the user experience that iMessages provide. Otherwise, you can get her signal or snapchat or one of the 4,225 secure messaging ecosystems.
And that right there is the real problem. There are a lot of messaging apps, but most of them don't interoperate with each other. So if you want to use the same app for communicating with everyone, you either need to somehow convince everyone to install your app of choice, (and in the case of iMessage buy the same kind of phone) or use SMS/MMS. And by not supporting RCS, Apple is effectively crippling that between iPhones and Android.
Re: Tim Cook's response to Android texting compatibility: 'buy your mom an iPhone'
#178Earlier quoted context omitted.
They've released whats obtainable through imessages "encryption". If it was so important to Apple that their users privacy matters to them, they'd give people a way to cross platform encryption. Apple iMessage Message content limited. Subpoena: can render basic subscriber information. 18 USC §2703(d): can render 25 days of iMessage lookups and from a target number. Pen Register: no capability. *Search Warrant: can re…
What you're saying is that Apple complies with the law and that iCloud is not encrypted by default. iMessages are still encrypted end to end. We surely don't desire Apple to take on the American government and win. I assume you're also not saying that because iMessages isn't anti-FBI secure, that we mind as well go fully unsecured? It's not Apple's obligation to force Google to submit to Apple's encryption protocols,…
And if iMessages supported RCS, then messages to Android could be encrypted too, but Apple chooses not to support that.
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#179Earlier quoted context omitted.
What you're saying is that Apple complies with the law and that iCloud is not encrypted by default. iMessages are still encrypted end to end. We surely don't desire Apple to take on the American government and win. I assume you're also not saying that because iMessages isn't anti-FBI secure, that we mind as well go fully unsecured? It's not Apple's obligation to force Google to submit to Apple's encryption protocols,…
If the message was actually end-to-end encrypted, Apple wouldn't have the plaintext to give to law enforcement in the first place. And if iMessages supported RCS, then messages to Android could be encrypted too, but Apple chooses not to support that.
Apple does provide an alternative way to use the iPhone for maximum security with a tradeoff in inconvenience which most would consider unacceptable. Google, Samsung, etc. offers nothing of the sort, and I do wonder whether phone vendors would ever be interested in investing in a feature which essentially destroys the convenience of using your phone.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32003756
The EFF considers Apple's messaging to be end-to-end encrypted. You could choose to not use iCloud, in which case the only practical way to obtain your messages would be to seize your phone. But since they are end-to-end encrypted, if an Apple employee were able to intercept and decrypt messages, then that would be big security news. If for whatever reason your concept of security is narrowly focused on resisting judicial warrants or state actors, then Android would only be worse here.
> And if iMessages supported RCS, then messages to Android could be encrypted too, but Apple chooses not to support that.
The RCS you mention is essentially Google's own standard, one which US carriers have chosen to reject. If Google could reach consensus with carriers and major phone vendors on a new standard, Apple would likely be forced to accept the new standard. Then RCS would become the true successor to SMS.
There are also other phone apps which use their own custom protocol. In some countries, WhatsApp is the most prominent messaging app.
Re: Tim Cook's response to Android texting compatibility: 'buy your mom an iPhone'
#180The lack of interoperability is strictly illegal since it's being leveraged to expand Apple's already formidable market power (using market power to extend market power is the strictly illegal part) by pushing people to buy an iphone. Cook can hardly deny that's a conscious thought at Apple, 'cause he just said the quiet part out loud. FRO - IINAL but I do know "monopoly" is not the correct term in law, "market power…
Are you using “market power” differently than the common definition in economics? It normally refers to any firm which has the ability to set prices above marginal cost without losing revenue, i.e. any firm in a market that lacks perfect competition, i.e. every firm that actually exists.