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Post by Dracophoenix »

nashequilibrium wrote: post #55
testmasterflex wrote: post #4

Makes me think of something I always wondered; did Steve know programming? He did work at Atari right? I think I’ve always attributed Steve’s huge success to 3 things; Meeting Woz, Meeting Markkula and spending a lot of time to practise articulating himself. I must admit, I envy the man. Who doesn’t. Apple is a fantastic company and keeps releasing great products.

He definitely knew how to program, just by listening him talk about it. I don't think he was a Midas but he understood it. He was really smart, listen to his lecture to MBA students in the early 90s, for a guy who never went to college, his understanding of microeconomics was amazing.

Just to clarify, he did go to college (Reed), but didn't graduate.

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Post by daniel-cussen »

fennecfoxy wrote: post #156
testmasterflex wrote: post #4

Makes me think of something I always wondered; did Steve know programming? He did work at Atari right? I think I’ve always attributed Steve’s huge success to 3 things; Meeting Woz, Meeting Markkula and spending a lot of time to practise articulating himself. I must admit, I envy the man. Who doesn’t. Apple is a fantastic company and keeps releasing great products.

Afaik he did know programming at a basic level, which back in those days meant that he knew enough to get something working without all of the tools, etc that we have today. But it was Woz who was the true hardware/software talent; he spent his childhood designing processors that he didn't have the money to build. He was fascinated with circuits & electronics & processors. Steve worked at Atari but got Woz in to do t…

I read SJ's biography...and know a bit about Wozniak...through his father, my grandfather's peer in Lockheed Martin. So yeah Jobs cheated Woz, the one time--and Jobs admits it--but come on, I know guys who cheat like that every uh time period thing according to the uh Gregorian Calendar. Week month something. But only Stephen Jobs started Apple, they didn't. And Steve gave Steve the money he promised, it was just less than half what he was offered. Still a good deal for Wozniak, just Wozniak had access to military CMOS for much longer than Steve J.

Steve Jobs gotta say does an amazing job of looking bad at tech while knowing everything, just everything. Like yes he couldn't do Breakout but he actually tried, trial and error for a while. Master at steps 1 and 3, ignorant but not completely and could have gotten a bad Breakout for his step 2 for he himself to pull it off. So that's why he teamed up.

Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

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Post by daniel-cussen »

entropicdrifter wrote: post #241
johndevor wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It also ignores the Hitler-types and their negative influence on the world (Hitler was beaten brutally by his father IIRC).

Likewise Stalin was beaten by both of his parents and even threw a knife at his father at the age of 6 to keep him from killing his mother.

Stalin was therefore a sick fuck at the age of 6, so young, so young!

EDIT: That's how a woman I know got her husband to stop beating her, was ready with the knives, said some Shrinktalk quotes (the book may come soon), and the guy...didn't...didn't...have that much of a beating for her in him any longer.

Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

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Post by lr1970 »

rblion wrote: post #134

This is very similar to an Einstein quote: "How strange is the lot of us mortals! Each of us is here for a brief sojourn; for what purpose he knows not, though he sometimes thinks he senses it. But without deeper reflection one knows from daily life that one exists for other people -- first of all for those upon whose smiles and well-being our own happiness is wholly dependent, and then for the many, unknown to us, t…

I am curious, did Einstein wrote this quote in English or in German (his native language) and it was later rendered in English by a translator?

Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

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Post by 93po »

thenoblesunfish wrote: post #240

Just to make sure someone says it, this is interesting partially because most people wouldn't feel that these sorts of statements were remarkable enough to write down. This is a record of a man finding it remarkable that actually he isn't responsible for the majority of mankind's progress.

I took this more as Steve writing a reminder to himself of the debt he owes to society. Almost the entire basis of his success isn't because of his own work or innovation. It is 99.9999% the work of the people around him, and the work of tens of thousands of years of humans throughout history. I imagine sometimes this is hard to keep in perspective if you're rich, famous, going down in history as an innovator, and have quite the ego.

Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

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Post by wang_li »

TrevorJ wrote: post #247
cmrdporcupine wrote: post #207

It has the style/tone of a snippet from Herbert's "God Emperor Of Dune." Our industry -- probably more than any other -- attracted more than its fair share of pontification, over-intellectualization and frankly, narcissism. A sense of the over-importance of everything we're doing, which is really just about using ever more complicated computing tools to make money faster and faster and faster.

On the other hand, if we take the last, say, 5,000 years of history, digital technology must be in the top 3 inventions that have most effected humanity. By way of cost-benefit analysis, I'd say that erring on the side of pontification, over-intellectualization and navel gazing, while pretty crass, is far preferable to the alternative. The sheer power of what has been invented, for good or ill means that we can reall…

Digital technology is not even a top ten most impactful invention. Ahead of it we’ve got the germ theory of disease, the haber-Bosch process, use of fossil fuels, the internal combustion engine, analog electronics, anesthetics, antibiotics, hydro electric dams, architecture, and Portland cement. And a lot more really.

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Post by avg_dev »

gorgoiler wrote: post #180

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Perhaps it could do the same for you.

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Post by quickthrower2 »

soheil wrote: post #224
quickthrower2 wrote: post #87

Standing on the shoulders of giants. Literally... where would we be without the big bang?

Your sentence cannot be formed into a sensible question since time itself came into existence with the big bang.

I think it could since it can be taken based on causality not time.

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Post by RajT88 »

scarface74 wrote: post #248
RajT88 wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And Jobs is dead. What I am suggesting is the personality types live on and continue to work together at Apple.

So how many of the current products were influenced by Woz in 2022? How many are influenced by Jobs - the Mac, the iPad, the iPhone, the App Store? When Woz left, Apple wasn’t a major player in the tech space in the grand scheme of things. Apple became the most valuable company in the US right before Jobs passed. My first computer was an Woz inspired Apple //e. My current computer is a Jobs inspired Mac that Woz had…

Whoosh

Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

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Post by rowanG077 »

markdown wrote: post #250
rowanG077 wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Definitely! My point was more that I find it odd to see the exact same mechanism all around you every day and then throw your hands up in disgust on this specific instance.

This is disgusting because someone more deserving died when he took the liver that was going to them. Which other every-day mechanisms results in the death of one of two parties?

The list I posted. Better food and being around less polution literally increases your life expectancy by years.
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