Eight Secret Societies (2016)
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Eight Secret Societies (2016)
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#2The article mentions how in the past, the Patriotic Order Sons of America didn't allow black people to join. They eventually changed but I'm wondering if the change was forced. Is it legal to discriminate on the basis of race or sex today?
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#3Well, they're not that secret apparently
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#4The article mentions how in the past, the Patriotic Order Sons of America didn't allow black people to join. They eventually changed but I'm wondering if the change was forced. Is it legal to discriminate on the basis of race or sex today?
It Depends (tm) but generally a private club can admit, or not, whoever they please, or don't.
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#5The article mentions how in the past, the Patriotic Order Sons of America didn't allow black people to join. They eventually changed but I'm wondering if the change was forced. Is it legal to discriminate on the basis of race or sex today?
If a club is truly private they can. ianal but I believe they have to be very specific about their membership criteria. Like you couldn't have criteria that permits anyone who isn't black it would have to be a lot more specific than just that.
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#6The article mentions how in the past, the Patriotic Order Sons of America didn't allow black people to join. They eventually changed but I'm wondering if the change was forced. Is it legal to discriminate on the basis of race or sex today?
It Depends (tm) but generally a private club can admit, or not, whoever they please, or don't.
In the UK (& I believe EU) that's true to the extent that you could have an even more personal ('I don't like your face') objection, but your reasoning can't be on the basis of a 'protected characteristic', such as race.
Though actually maybe private members' clubs have some kind of exception to that - gender is also a protected characteristic under that act, but there are gentlemen's (only) clubs still (ladies' too perhaps, I'm not sure).
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#7Well, they're not that secret apparently
I get the joke, but I don't think the existence of the society itself is supposed to be a secret, but what happens within the confines is held to secrecy.
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#8Earlier quoted context omitted.
It Depends (tm) but generally a private club can admit, or not, whoever they please, or don't.
In the UK (& I believe EU) that's true to the extent that you could have an even more personal ('I don't like your face') objection, but your reasoning can't be on the basis of a 'protected characteristic', such as race. Though actually maybe private members' clubs have some kind of exception to that - gender is also a protected characteristic under that act, but there are gentlemen's (only) clubs still (ladies' too…
There are male-only clubs (The Garrack, Savage Club), and more modern female and non-binary only clubs (such as the marguerite).
They are all, by definition sexist, but you are allowed under UK law to be such when deciding who to invite to a party.
What would be interesting, is if one became a monopoly in its niche (often clubs have a _thing_), whether one could argue they missed out on serious opportunities in work because they were not allowed to join, but I don't know of such a case being risen.
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#9There's 9.
I'm "blood brothers" with some kid who was five when I was, and his name escaped me decades ago. Nobody is to ever know this, so I guess I just broke that oath.
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#10The article mentions how in the past, the Patriotic Order Sons of America didn't allow black people to join. They eventually changed but I'm wondering if the change was forced. Is it legal to discriminate on the basis of race or sex today?
Don't universities and workplaces have particular sex and race only clubs?