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ErgodoxE EZ – an ergonomic keyboard with open source firmware

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Re: ErgodoxE EZ – an ergonomic keyboard with open source firmware

#81

So, no numpad, right? Love the concept, just not sure I could use DAWs, Unreal Engine, and Blender without the ol' numpad.

Usually keyboards like this have different modes/layers. There's no fixed numpad but by pressing some key or combination, the keyboard layout changes to a numpad (or whatever else you want).

Re: ErgodoxE EZ – an ergonomic keyboard with open source firmware

#82
post #81

So, no numpad, right? Love the concept, just not sure I could use DAWs, Unreal Engine, and Blender without the ol' numpad.

Usually keyboards like this have different modes/layers. There's no fixed numpad but by pressing some key or combination, the keyboard layout changes to a numpad (or whatever else you want).

I could see it working, just think it would take a lot of getting accustomed to and unlearning decades-worth of muscle memory. Super tempted.

Re: ErgodoxE EZ – an ergonomic keyboard with open source firmware

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post #81

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Usually keyboards like this have different modes/layers. There's no fixed numpad but by pressing some key or combination, the keyboard layout changes to a numpad (or whatever else you want).

I could see it working, just think it would take a lot of getting accustomed to and unlearning decades-worth of muscle memory. Super tempted.

It's really nice to do it this way as you can instantly get the numpad without moving your fingers to it.

I'm only on day three with a moonlander but it hasn't been that bad so far. I'm up to 60wpm now so I'm past the part where I felt unproductive. I've settled a bit more into a layout I'm happy with today too.

Re: ErgodoxE EZ – an ergonomic keyboard with open source firmware

#84
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Does anybody know something similar, with a trackball? I got interested in these split ergo keyboards when I saw the new Kinesis models [0] but unfortunately they don't ship to my location. I came across the Charybdis [1] and I loved the idea but I'm not capable enough to assemble it myself and the guy making them has a many week lead time, so I'd love an equivalent. [0]: https://kinesis-ergo.com/keyboards/advantage3…

The UHK has a trackball-module. https://ultimatehackingkeyboard.com/product/trackball

I have this setup. The trackball module is ok. 6/10. I haven't been able to move to using it full-time as it's a bit small.

Re: ErgodoxE EZ – an ergonomic keyboard with open source firmware

#85
Does ortholinear/columnar actually feel better? I feel like I see many comments about how there's a bit of a learning curve that can be overcome after a while, but very few comments about whether overcoming that learning curve is actually worth it and it's really more comfortable. Is it supposed to be better for your wrists? Or your fingers?

The "split" aspect of these keyboards is definitely more comfortable imo - I ended up going with a Dygma Raise (which I'm very happy with!), because I wasn't interested in learning ortholinear. But I've remained curious about whether ortholinear is actually better, or if it's just a thing that a lot of split keyboards happen to have.

Re: ErgodoxE EZ – an ergonomic keyboard with open source firmware

#86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish there was a showroom or something I could visit to try them all out and see what fits my hands. I don't mind dropping $300 on a keyboard once, but I don't want to buy 10 different keyboards just to try them and then have to sell the ones I don't want.

I have long wished there was a keyboard rental service. Trouble is that an ortho layout can take months to get used to. I am still 20% slower on an ortho board than I was on a laptop keyboard, but the comfort is worth it, especially for shoulder pain.

The question is whether the comfort is because of ortho, or just because of nice big split layout keyboard?

Re: ErgodoxE EZ – an ergonomic keyboard with open source firmware

#87

I have one, I love it, the only complaint i have is that there's not yet another enveloping row of keys across the top and down the outer sides of each half.

You don't need more keys, if you have layers.

You don't need layers if you have more keys. And it's faster too

Re: ErgodoxE EZ – an ergonomic keyboard with open source firmware

#88
I bought a Moonlander earlier this year after getting bad upper back pain and knowing that if I didn’t do something the pain would only get worse and I would end up with a hunch. Previously I was coding on a Magic Keyboard.

I ended up quitting my coding job shortly after getting the Moonlander so the pain has sort of resolved itself anyway as I’m no longer doing massive coding sessions. But I’m glad I’ve got it for the future.

At first I found it massively frustrating. The default layout is quite frankly ridiculous. The only way I could get myself to stick with it is by making the keyboard layout as close to the British Magic Keyboard as possible. For anyone interested, this is my set up, that took me a good few iterations to get to:

https://configure.zsa.io/moonlander/layouts/KZ7aa/latest/0

Maybe I’m “doing it wrong” but I think once I’ve got used to using it as a regular QWERTY keyboard I can then maybe look at changing the layouts and doing the fancy stuff. The fact that they ship it with such a crazy default layout is bewildering to me.

I’m still nowhere near as fast with it as the standard apple keyboard but I imagine I’ll get there naturally after a year or so. I can do longer sessions on it now before I have to pick up the laptop in frustration. And I’ll be sticking with it because the health benefits really are worth it.

Re: ErgodoxE EZ – an ergonomic keyboard with open source firmware

#89

Does ortholinear/columnar actually feel better? I feel like I see many comments about how there's a bit of a learning curve that can be overcome after a while, but very few comments about whether overcoming that learning curve is actually worth it and it's really more comfortable. Is it supposed to be better for your wrists? Or your fingers? The "split" aspect of these keyboards is definitely more comfortable imo - I…

I’ve tried out various form factors (full size, tkl, 75%, 60%, single keyboard with wells), and the ergodox ez was by far the most comfortable for coding. Until I bought the moonlander, which is now my main “at desk” keyboard. I’m running a modified version of Colemak DHM on my moonlander.

Ortholinear is my favorite layout because I can shift some keys down one row (such as Z), and then it perfectly suits my hands.

Re: ErgodoxE EZ – an ergonomic keyboard with open source firmware

#90

Does ortholinear/columnar actually feel better? I feel like I see many comments about how there's a bit of a learning curve that can be overcome after a while, but very few comments about whether overcoming that learning curve is actually worth it and it's really more comfortable. Is it supposed to be better for your wrists? Or your fingers? The "split" aspect of these keyboards is definitely more comfortable imo - I…

When I look at my hands (31) my fingers actually look slightly twisted and crooked. There’s a chance that I might have broke them without realising when I was younger doing martial arts and rugby but I’m of the firm belief that they’ve got this way through hammering shallow non ortholinear keyboards (specifically the magic keyboard) for years. I’ve had pain in my fingers at certain points over the years from typing for hours that I just kind of David Goggins’ed my way through. Can’t prove it’s the cause but it is my strong suspicion.
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