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This is why I don't buy or recommend apple products anymore. I was never a fanboi, but rather had some nice experiences (about 10 years ago - eg I am just retiring my 2012 Retina MBP - and it still works, just a little slow these days). Besides, get mom onto Signal and it doesn't matter any more.
You don’t buy or recommend Apple products because non-iMessages are shown in green?
This is why I don't buy or recommend apple products anymore. I was never a fanboi, but rather had some nice experiences (about 10 years ago - eg I am just retiring my 2012 Retina MBP - and it still works, just a little slow these days). Besides, get mom onto Signal and it doesn't matter any more.
What are you replacing your MacBook with?
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Since they are contributing to school bullying. not having a blue bubble shouldn't matter, but we forget how brutal school was.
The color also refers to whether your messages are end to end encrypted, which is a big deal in messaging. Is the presence or absence of a padlock on browsers embarrassing? What if iMessage merely said “This message is not secured by encryption.”?
Apple iMessage
Message content limited. Subpoena: can render basic subscriber information. 18 USC §2703(d): can render 25 days of iMessage lookups and from a target number. Pen Register: no capability. *Search Warrant: can render backups of a target device; if target uses iCloud backup, the encryption keys should also be provided with content return can also acquire iMessages from iCloud returns if target has enabled Messages in iCloud.
Thankfully, shit like this will soon be illegal in the EU when the Digital Markets Act hits. Hopefully they'll plug all the loopholes and actually enforce it. I don't understand how anyone can defend business practices like this, which are exclusively there for the purpose of platform lock-in.
This is a non-issue in a lot of EU countries where people use WhatsApp for everything.
> Former marketing chief Phil Schiller famously said that porting iMessage to Android "would hurt us more than help us," and another former Apple exec said in an email that "iMessage amounts to serious lock-in." Thank all that is holy that innovations like email came from government and academia, and were designed for federated interoperability from day 1. I still remember all the adulation for Steve Jobs' "open lett…
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The color also refers to whether your messages are end to end encrypted, which is a big deal in messaging. Is the presence or absence of a padlock on browsers embarrassing? What if iMessage merely said “This message is not secured by encryption.”?
They've released whats obtainable through imessages "encryption". If it was so important to Apple that their users privacy matters to them, they'd give people a way to cross platform encryption. Apple iMessage Message content limited. Subpoena: can render basic subscriber information. 18 USC §2703(d): can render 25 days of iMessage lookups and from a target number. Pen Register: no capability. *Search Warrant: can re…
It's not Apple's obligation to force Google to submit to Apple's encryption protocols, and it's not Apple's obligation to force SMS standards to comply with their standard.
Your concern was about bullying. Would it be better if Apple simply did away with the colors and notified you that "THIS MESSAGE IS UNENCRYPTED."?
The comedy of this whole thing is that if the roles were reversed, and Google had a dominant messaging platform and a popular line of phones that kept Apple users "outside of the circle" a la "green bubbles" or otherwise, it's hard to imagine that they would actually do what they are asking Apple to do.
What product has Google made that they don't make available on iphone? Apple definitely has a history of only supporting their own system, while Google doesn't. I think it's wildly cynical to assume Google would do the same thing as Apple if the roles were reversed. One company has a long track record of behaving like that, while the other doesn't.
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you should really step out of your bubble every so often, sounds like you're projecting your experience onto everyone else without really thinking about or considering what life is like in other places
Oh I have a decent handle on that I think:) I mean if your mom is texting with SMS, she’s in North America. If she’s texting with a lot of iPhone users your family is in a certain economic position already. If you are on this site you are in a certain economic position and get called in for a lot of family tech support. If your mom has an android, supporting it is probably not worth your time in terms of the hourly r…
> It’s objectively better unless you are harboring some irrational grudge.
That seems absurd. I'm in NA, and economically could buy an iphone. Most of the text messages I send are automated in a ruby script that runs in termux. I also have a few apps that I use that make my life easier, but require being side loaded as well as rooted.
Are you really saying that iphone would be objectively better for me? Unless things have radically changed in iOS, it seems like I would lose a lot of features that I currently rely on to save me lots of time and give me a much better UX
Thankfully, shit like this will soon be illegal in the EU when the Digital Markets Act hits. Hopefully they'll plug all the loopholes and actually enforce it. I don't understand how anyone can defend business practices like this, which are exclusively there for the purpose of platform lock-in.
a) developing a messaging product, then not porting it to your biggest competitor?
b) declining to implement a mediocre standard at your biggest competitor's behest? The last major US carrier finally deployed RCS this year, some smaller carriers around the world still do not support it, and it notably requires carrier participation, unlike iMessage.
c) ???
It isn't as if Apple is blocking communication with non-Apple devices.
If Apple is somehow legally forced to spend the time and effort to implement RCS, then I would hope they would still find a way to make it clear at a glance when I'm sending a message via iMessage vs RCS or whatever else.
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I don’t understand, where is the interoperability issue?? I can send someone who has an android phone a text message. I can send them a photo, or a video. It would seem the two are completely interoperable. Does having your messages turn green really upset people that much?
> I can send someone who has an android phone a text message. I can send them a photo, or a video. You can, and the quality of the photo/video on the other end is horrendous. It's artificially downgraded. Android doesn't have this problem when messaging any other platform, because all other platforms use RCS (an open standard), which Apple chooses not to adopt because they benefit from the lock-in. It also breaks all…
RCS still doesn't support end-to-end encryption, and still requires carrier participation. There are still carriers that don't support it, and not all carriers support it equally. Google just managed to get the last major US carrier to adopt RCS this year so all of this about Apple being behind is marketing nonsense.