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I just said "top in HN..". I have no intention of starting a flame-war but seeing the amount of valid comments deleted it seems to me that despite being indifferent about this news, the only rhetoric left in this thread is praise, why is praise not flamewar?. I am not inviting comment on this unpopular opinion but asking for a reflection from fellow 'hackers' of how one-sided intelligent conversations are becoming here. People who may have a different opinion about this news may be afraid to state their facts. And individuals like me, indifferent, cannot express our indifference about this event

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Generally I agree with the sentiment, but at the same time this is impactful, because this is a person that has been in the public eye for people's entire lives, so it presents as somewhat of a shock. It's a reminder that the only constant is change and that death comes for us all... at least that's why I think many people have a strong reaction to the news. My personal reaction is "meh".

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I really feel that Charles should at least consider passing on the Crown to his son William. William and Kate are immensely popular. It would be a good thing for Great Britain, British people as well as for the Royal Family. Charles and Camilla are the opposite in terms of respect and popularity to William and Kate, as far as I understand. If Charles does that, he would write himself into the annals of British histor…

I find this an interesting idea. Normally the response is “the whole point of a hereditary monarchy is that you don’t get to choose” and obviously Charles has been champing at the bit for years. However, there is also the historical idea of the monarch needing to be a good one and keep up their end of the bargain. Interesting times ahead!

Edward 8 had to abdicate to marry outside of the church of England, and Charles is already married outside of the church of England. His abdication wouldn't be weird.

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Apparently, when I was little, I got excited one Christmas when the Queen’s speech was on tv, because I thought it was my Grandmother… I used to take comfort in the idea that all things pass in time, now not so much. Probably because I realised that includes everyone I love, and myself! I’ve no great love for the monarchy, but this is certainly the end of an era in British public life and likely in UK international r…

What is the sentiment like in the UK about Charles vs William? Heard lots of people calling for him to just hand it over to William straight away.

It is said that the Queen was 100% against the idea of monarchs retiring. I suppose that harks back to the abdication crisis, but also undermines the concept of royalty altogether.

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I've never really understood how we can still have monarchies but I do believe Elizabeth was probably one the better ones that have sat on those thrones. A few years ago I looked into how much power she had and I was shocked. I was also shocked by how much that monarchy owns.

It depends on what you mean by "owns" too. My understanding is that legally the monarch (or is it the Crown, I know there is some kind of distinction) is the landlord of last resort for all of his or her holdings. In the case of the British monarch, that includes not just the isles, but the Commonwealth realms as well. Any property taxes in those realms are technically feudal rents.

And yeah the British monarch's theoretical legal power is immense. For one thing the UK armed forces swear loyalty personally to the monarch, not to the government! The monarch could go to war with Parliament again and the military would be upholding their oath!

The late Queen was a woman of impeccable public ethics though. In some sense it's more admirable for a person who is not bound by the law to choose to follow it scrupulously, which she did.

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Britain’s plan for when Queen Elizabeth II dies: POLITICO has obtained documents laying out Operation LONDON BRIDGE in granular detail https://www.politico.eu/article/queen-elizabeth-death-plan-b...

There can't be very many people alive who have been to a state funeral of this magnitude, let alone actually planned one. Is there another monarch alive with this many subjects?

Technically the Pope is a monarch and every Catholic a subject but it doesn't quite play out the same way.

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With the Pandemic, and the death of the Queen, and several other events, we can now say that the beginning of the 2020s marks the true cultural beginning of the 21st Century. These times will look increasingly different from whatever came before.

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All: please don't post flamebait, including ranting against monarchy or railing against "the nobility" like it's 1770. Such reflexive comments are not on topic here. We want curious conversation. Please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html . This story is on topic because it's a major historical event and history has always been on topic here. If it doesn't produce an intellectually curious respons…

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His heavy-handedness is everywhere on HN. I’m curious if it helps or hurts engagement and return visits.

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It's weird, I've never considered myself a "royalist" but this news has affected me quite strongly. I just burst into tears unexpectedly on hearing this news and I don't quite understand why I feel so very sad. I guess I have grown up and lived my whole life (as a Brit) seeing and hearing the Queen, singing "God save the Queen" etc, and this news made me suddenly feel very old, very nostalgic, with the sense that all…

Fellow Brit here. I share this sentiment. I've never had strong views for or against the royal family but always felt genuine respect towards the Queen herself. She always appeared to be a morally strong character who tried to do the right thing. I always expected this would feel like a very strange moment when it finally arrived. I wasn't wrong.

Even many non-Brits shared that respect and admiration.

In 70 years, the number of gaffes/crises linked to her person (rather than other members of her family) are few, perhaps the only dents were the Diana incident and the secret influencing of the law by the crown ("royal consent" and "royal assent" - e.g. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/08/royals-vette...).

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I was born in the UK, in 1963. Because of my step-father's love of first-wave UK punk, the first thing I did on hearing this news was to play the Sex Pistol's "God Save the Queen". It is remarkable how much the Queen's standing has improved during the time since that song (1977). My (UK) family are (as far as I know) staunch republicans, but the last couple of decades have seen all of us soften our disgust with the m…

Not to dive into politics particularly; but there are advantages and disadvantages to every form of government. What are the particular disadvantages your family dislikes? Is it the principal of it or something in particular? One clear advantage of monarchs that I can see, are that they have an incentive to grow and expand their tax base. That typically means long-term planning (but doesn't ensure it, which is a disa…

Here's an analogy: in a democracy, first-past-the-post voting is, in a vacuum, about the worst voting system that exists. But the reason that it was adopted in so many places is because it has one advantage: its sheer, utter, bone-headed simplicity. In a context where most constituents are illiterate and unfamiliar with the notion of democratic government, it behooves you to pick the simplest solution that can possibly work, even if it leads to worse results than more complex systems.

Hereditary absolute monarchy is the same thing, but for selecting heads of state. Who's in charge? The guy with the biggest army. What powers does he have? All of them. Who succeeds him when he dies? His firstborn. It's dead simple to implement, which made it an attractive solution in times before any semblance of mass communication. But in practice it means the quality of your head of state is totally detached from their actual talent at serving as head of state: the first guy in line was just good at leading an army, and the rest of his descendants are just randos who won the birth lottery. It's not a good solution unless you're willing to make loads of sacrifices in order to have the simplest system possible.

(And yes, of course, the UK is not currently an absolute monarchy, but you appeared to be asking in a general sense.)

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