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Who controls the Internet? And should they? (2021)

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Re: Who controls the Internet? And should they? (2021)

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Post by zajio1am »

jart wrote: post #17

I like Bert Hubert's writing because he always comes across as someone who's unbiased and genuinely cares. One thing I'm surprised he didn't mention is how large corporations operate their own private internets in basically the same way as countries like China and North Korea. Why wouldn't they? It's how the ARPAnet used to work. They only let scientists, engineers, and university students use the thing. I'm sure it…

Corporations are voluntary associations of people for some specific purpose, while countries enforce monopoly of violence over certain area. They are not really comparable. Corporations have much higher freedom to set their internal rules because you have freedom to non-associate with them, while countries should enforce just necessary minimum of rules.

Re: Who controls the Internet? And should they? (2021)

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Post by CharlesW »

Rackedup wrote: post #49

Governments control everything.... they are slowly trying to block crypto too. The Internet in 20 years will suck even more (they don't really like free speech even if they claim they do). Edit: Since HN doesn't allow me to reply to the child comment because "I'm posting too quickly", here is the reply to CharlesW. Stealing is already illegal.... I like how they don't know how to use current laws and flood us with ne…

> Governments control everything.... they are slowly trying to block crypto too.

I'm always amazed that anyone thought cryptocurrencies would somehow be the one form of currency that wouldn't be regulated.

It's clear that crypto can't self-regulate, and continues to actively hurt lots of people. As of July, $1.9 billion in crypto has been "stolen" — up 60% from a year ago¹, in quotes because we know a good percentage of these were inside jobs.

¹ https://blog.chainalysis.com/reports/crypto-crime-midyear-up...

Re: Who controls the Internet? And should they? (2021)

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Post by blooalien »

hypertele-Xii wrote: post #9

"The Internet" is just other peoples' computers. Who controls yours?

"The Internet" is just everyone's computers (all those who are connected to the Internet at least, including yours and mine). It's a "network of networks". This is just a fact that most folks have either forgotten, or were never taught in the first place, and your ISP doesn't really want you to know or remember what the Internet really is, because then you'd know how badly you're being "shafted" by most of the ISPs out there these days.

Re: Who controls the Internet? And should they? (2021)

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Post by xwdv »

deepdriver wrote: post #48
xwdv wrote: post #36

One company controls the internet more than any other: Cloudflare.

They shield, and therefore effectively man-in-the-middle, roughly 20% of all websites on the Internet: https://backlinko.com/cloudflare-users

This is incredible power.

Re: Who controls the Internet? And should they? (2021)

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Post by samatman »

jart wrote: post #17

I like Bert Hubert's writing because he always comes across as someone who's unbiased and genuinely cares. One thing I'm surprised he didn't mention is how large corporations operate their own private internets in basically the same way as countries like China and North Korea. Why wouldn't they? It's how the ARPAnet used to work. They only let scientists, engineers, and university students use the thing. I'm sure it…

Pretty simple from where I sit: if there's Internet, and the corporate internet, that's two internets someone gets to use. If there's Internet, and Sinonet, I can't get on Sinonet (fine by me) and they can't get on Internet, which I think sucks and is bad. We should have less of that, not more.

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Post by praveen9920 »

jaywalk wrote: post #8

No mention of Cloudflare or Amazon, who arguably control more of the Internet than any of the entities listed in the article. Definitely more than any of the other corporations listed.

Technically cloud flare and aws provides tools for internet. I don’t know much about cloud flare but at least aws has a solid way to contact them in case of issues, except when Amazon thinks you are fraud, in which case you are banned forever

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Post by dbtc »

jart wrote: post #17

I like Bert Hubert's writing because he always comes across as someone who's unbiased and genuinely cares. One thing I'm surprised he didn't mention is how large corporations operate their own private internets in basically the same way as countries like China and North Korea. Why wouldn't they? It's how the ARPAnet used to work. They only let scientists, engineers, and university students use the thing. I'm sure it…

In short, one's a castle, the other is a prison.
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