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Who controls the Internet? And should they? (2021)

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Re: Who controls the Internet? And should they? (2021)

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I like Bert Hubert's writing because he always comes across as someone who's unbiased and genuinely cares. One thing I'm surprised he didn't mention is how large corporations operate their own private internets in basically the same way as countries like China and North Korea. Why wouldn't they? It's how the ARPAnet used to work. They only let scientists, engineers, and university students use the thing. I'm sure it…

What you describe already exist, governments already have their own intranet. This is about controlling the public internet. I understand what you are saying but the comparison does not make sense, because there's a clear difference between setting up a private corporate network and a country/continent wide net.

Comparing something like the great firewall to a corporate network is just not productive imo. (Plus, just because a private corporation is doing something does not mean that a government should do the same anyways.)

Re: Who controls the Internet? And should they? (2021)

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> the weird thing is if you want to turn off this child safe internet in the UK, you get a letter and they sent you this letter that tells you, look, you opted out of the filtering. Apparently you want to look at adult material.

I've opted out of these filters ever since they have been in place, Most providers will ask you during sign up if you wanted them on or off, I've always turned them off on day one. Since these filters have been in place I have been with (Who have the filters) Virgin Media, TalkTalk, Sky, 3 (Mobile internet) and I have never once recieved a letter from my ISP that tells me that I have opted out of the adult content filtering.

Re: Who controls the Internet? And should they? (2021)

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I'm in the UK and I don't recognise what's being said there about a child safe internet you can opt out of.

Exactly - there is no default blocking of adult material in the UK, it's scaremongering based on proposed legislation that will probably never make it to the statute books. Some ISPs and telcos have implemented their own systems to protect children, which is a policy matter for them and them alone. There are plenty of ISPs who give you a raw unfiltered Internet. As a result of this inaccuracy, it weakens the rest of…

They were told by the goverment "If you don't do it on your own, we will make you do it", so the big ISPs did (BT, Virgin, Sky, TalkTalk). This was back in 2012.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/parents-asked-if-adult-we...

> But ministers have always been clear that if industry did not go far enough or fast enough, the government would consider further action - including potentially regulation.

The filter is turned on by default from the biggest ISPs however each one of them asks if you would like to disable it during the onboarding process.

Same goes for mobile internet, the only diffence there is if you are using PAYG you have to validate your age via a credit card or using a form of ID at your providers local store.

Re: Who controls the Internet? And should they? (2021)

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post #17

I like Bert Hubert's writing because he always comes across as someone who's unbiased and genuinely cares. One thing I'm surprised he didn't mention is how large corporations operate their own private internets in basically the same way as countries like China and North Korea. Why wouldn't they? It's how the ARPAnet used to work. They only let scientists, engineers, and university students use the thing. I'm sure it…

There's some discussion of that, but more on the user-facing side, not the in-house networks (which are also a feature of universities, government agencies, etc.).

> "Meanwhile, we have these big technology firms, that control the hardware, the software, and they run their own kangaroo courts that decide who wins and who loses. And there’s no way to appeal that or to have any insights from what they are doing, because they are encrypting what they are doing and hiding it from end users, while simultaneously moving more and more stuff to their control points"

> "This means 1) they have these kangaroo courts and 2) they’re moving more and more control to these kangaroo courts."

That's more about access to their public platforms (things like blocking some users, shaddow banning, algorithmic recommendation manipulation, etc.).

However, corporations aren't yet governments, although there are some indications that 'company towns' are becoming a thing, as they were in the early 20th century, where a company would own every house in a city and could evict anyone they didn't like, essentially becoming a de facto authoritarian government. In that case, banning someone from their private:w network would mean they had no access to any network.

Re: Who controls the Internet? And should they? (2021)

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> countries doing it have track record of using it to hide their misdeeds. And companies don't? Internet companies are media, so their function is not neutral to the existence and function of states. Constitutions all around the world have specific "free press" provisions because the press is not "just another private business" but it has very real consequences for the existence of states. So do tech companies today,…

By state misdeeds I mean labor camp, concentration centers and war crimes, etc. Very few private companies in history could have enough power to be able to commit crimes against humanity.

well, all slave traders did. Amazon would be selling police services , private armies and nukes if it was allowed to.

Re: Who controls the Internet? And should they? (2021)

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Governments control everything.... they are slowly trying to block crypto too.

The Internet in 20 years will suck even more (they don't really like free speech even if they claim they do).

Edit: Since HN doesn't allow me to reply to the child comment because "I'm posting too quickly", here is the reply to CharlesW.

Stealing is already illegal.... I like how they don't know how to use current laws and flood us with new ones to make their job easier... The truth is that they think that Crypto-currencies are a threat to USD and are trying to stop them. The least they could do is destroy one law every time they add one.

His reply was "CharlesW 40 minutes ago | parent | next [–]

> Governments control everything.... they are slowly trying to block crypto too.

I'm always amazed that anyone thought cryptocurrencies would somehow be the one form of currency that wouldn't be regulated.

It's clear that crypto can't self-regulate, and continues to actively hurt lots of people. As of July, $1.9 billion in crypto has been "stolen" — up 60% from a year ago¹, in quotes because we know a good percentage of these were inside jobs."

Re: Who controls the Internet? And should they? (2021)

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post #17

I like Bert Hubert's writing because he always comes across as someone who's unbiased and genuinely cares. One thing I'm surprised he didn't mention is how large corporations operate their own private internets in basically the same way as countries like China and North Korea. Why wouldn't they? It's how the ARPAnet used to work. They only let scientists, engineers, and university students use the thing. I'm sure it…

> Where is it written that private internets are perfectly normal when a corporation does it, but evil when a country does too? Well for one thing, when you come back from work at your corporation, you can go on the regular internet. Country-wide blocks don't allow that by design.

They even proactively obstruct the regular Internet. It's not a choice, but an imposition, and even if the regular Internet is a clusterfuck, we need to be in control of that choice.
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