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Are you a Seinfeld character? "I had to break up with her! She's a green bubbler, Jerry: Every message I get, bloop bloop bloop -- green bubbles! Regular texts, Jerry. Not even encrypted. She probably thinks iMessage is a sentence fragment!"
I mean, there's plenty of evidence of women saying exactly this all over social media. Here's a WSJ article over it: https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-apples-imessage-is-winning-...
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Since when did Apple have any obligation to provide iMessage to Android users? 10 years ago? Now? I think Tim Cook is spot on here. Get an iPhone for your grandma if she wants the user experience that iMessages provide. Otherwise, you can get her signal or snapchat or one of the 4,225 secure messaging ecosystems.
I think if you comingle inventory (SMS messages and iMessages) and don't make that very clear to your users (Apple wants to do the opposite, to make it feel seamless), you have some obligation to not mess up the user experience on other people's devices. So I guess since then.
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So by this act, should I be able to send a Twitter DM to your phone number if you don't have a Twitter account? What does interoperability mean here? Can I send Instagram messages from my Signal app?
By law the EU is going to require that when you make an Amazon Alexa announcement in your household that "dinner is ready" it will have to interoperate with Facebook messaging, Twitter DMs, Instangram messages, LinkedIn, Signal, iMessages, and SMS.
Why is iMessage even an issue? All phones can send conventional texts to each other
My group is more than ten people, and we work in a hospital (large building with heavy concrete structure - cell reception is entirely absent from significant areas, and we often depend on iMessage over the WiFi for delivering information). Any alternative solution (Signal, GroupMe, whatever) would have to be installed by all. Before I switched to an iPhone, I was one of two out of about 30 who didn't have one. This meant that group messages simply didn't get to me, and I discovered (e.g.) that our secretary had cancer when she asked me about good restaurants near M.D. Anderson.
This is bad behavior by Apple, but I decided to be practical about it: I can either be included in important information by buying an iPhone, or I can try to change almost 30 other people who want to keep on using one app for all their text-ish communications. You don't have an option like you do on Android to use Signal, which will send over their own protocol if possible but will revert to SMS for non-users. And, as others have noted, you don't have RCS. But I'm not going to change Apple singlehandedly, and I'm unlikely to force everyone else to use a different app solely to talk to me and one other guy. They'll just keep doing what they've been doing, and we will continue to be out of the loop.
Oh, and hospital IT blocks WiFi calling (but not texts). So far, my workaround has been to set up OpenVPN inside my home network and just VPN my entire phone and iPad through that. It takes a few seconds to connect properly, but it does work.
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This is really funny to me because extremely non-snobbish people are talking about you behind your back, and all iphone users have seen this and can perceive how out of the loop non-iphone users are about it Its like being black in Oregon (who were excluded via the state constitution for 100 years, if you don't get the analogy), not everyone is going to be a prick about it, few to your face, but everyone noticed and…
I think "need to interface with" is a bit of a stretch though. If we need to interact, it's probably a business interaction, in which case it's probably going to be via email or phone, and even if SMS is required it's going to be simple messages. Social protocol in these situations means we're unlikely to need the features like sending high-quality images or video, or reactions/stickers, etc... So we'll happily inter…
Why is iMessage even an issue? All phones can send conventional texts to each other
According to the article, some videos and things like this, and also the phone showing non-iMessage SMS in a different color, an apparent source of embarrassment to teens. But personally I can’t say I have ever noticed this limitation.
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You don’t buy or recommend Apple products because non-iMessages are shown in green?
It's not that the messages are in green, it's that videos and pictures sent over SMS are terrible. My dad sent me a video the other day, and it was 176 x 144 @ 10fps.
He is right on multiple levels. If your mom is suffering the buggy, slow, bad UX of an android phone, be a good child and buy her an iPhone. It’s objectively better unless you are harboring some irrational grudge. The walled garden is Apple’s thing. They have no reason to interoperate with Android unless they are legally forced. And why are you sending SMS anyway? There’s a universe of messaging apps that are far mor…
Thankfully, shit like this will soon be illegal in the EU when the Digital Markets Act hits. Hopefully they'll plug all the loopholes and actually enforce it. I don't understand how anyone can defend business practices like this, which are exclusively there for the purpose of platform lock-in.
What will be illegal, exactly? There is actually nothing stopping iPhones from communicating with Android phones. iMessage, a proprietary messaging app, colors data messages blue and SMS messages green for the user's benefit. There is an entire world of messaging apps that aren't iMessage. The main gripe from Android users seems to be a mere social issue. Also, isn't it my understanding that in EU most people use oth…
"During a close to 8-hour long trilogue (three-way talks between Parliament, Council and Commission), EU lawmakers agreed that the largest messaging services (such as Whatsapp, Facebook Messenger or iMessage) will have to open up and interoperate with smaller messaging platforms, if they so request. Users of small or big platforms would then be able to exchange messages, send files or make video calls across messaging apps, thus giving them more choice."
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/nl/press-room/20220315IP...