Fantastic policy, would love to see it elsewhere
Germany's €9 transit ticket cuts 1.8 million tonnes of CO2
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Re: Germany's €9 transit ticket cuts 1.8 million tonnes of CO2
#12German €9 transit ticket would be even more effective, if they didn't mandate wearing masks in public transport.
I know many people that previously used public transport, and now use cars exclusively, only because they don't have desire to wear masks during the commute.
Re: Germany's €9 transit ticket cuts 1.8 million tonnes of CO2
#13It's a bit frustrating to see that sunset clauses for laws trying something controversial aren't more common. What we're seeing right now (everyone debating whether this was good or not) is what I'd have wanted to see for most/all surveillance laws. I'm hoping they find something reasonable to follow up; for what it costs it really left a huge impression on everyone I've been talking to, quite the flagship project.
Yeah, it was quite tiring for the agents and strained the infrastructure, but they now have solid data on the effect of such policy, and can now plan how to incorporate the policy completely, or find a middle ground, and adjust the infrastructure accordingly.
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#14This claim was already discussed, and arguably refuted[1] a week ago.
Re: Germany's €9 transit ticket cuts 1.8 million tonnes of CO2
#15How good is the bang for the buck in reducing CO2 emissions compared eg on the CO2 credit prices on the EU carbon trading market? Apparently this program cost 2.5 billion ( https://www.german-way.com/travel-and-tourism/public-transpo... ) Edit: so 2.5 B / 1.8 M is 1400€/ton. Credits have been about 80€/ton this year according to https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/carbon - so direct emission reduction cost of this…
The program made mobility accessible to many more people as well, so it's not like you can divide the cost by co2 savings
I agree the other benefits justify it independent of the CO2 picture. But given the headline, the cost effectiveness wrt CO2 would be a good perspective to have as well, and to evaluate this aspect you can just divide it like that.
Trains are so fixed cost heavy that I think it would always be worth it to price them for maximum utilization of capacity. It probably makes sense to subsidize them this way for that reason. The marginal cost of more passangers is so small.
Re: Germany's €9 transit ticket cuts 1.8 million tonnes of CO2
#16How good is the bang for the buck in reducing CO2 emissions compared eg on the CO2 credit prices on the EU carbon trading market? Apparently this program cost 2.5 billion ( https://www.german-way.com/travel-and-tourism/public-transpo... ) Edit: so 2.5 B / 1.8 M is 1400€/ton. Credits have been about 80€/ton this year according to https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/carbon - so direct emission reduction cost of this…
This program was made to help the German people with the rising price of fuel for the Russian war. Not to cut the emissions, this is only a consequence.
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#17From reading reddit, I learned that a large part was also how it simplified things. Here in the north it’s pretty straightforward, but as you can see on this map [0] it gets slightly more confusing in large parts of Germany. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_German_transport_assoc... edit: Just to explain how the north is even simpler than it looks, VGSF is not relevant and simply included in NAH.SH, and HVV…
It's the Holy Roman Empire of modern times.
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#18If the goal is to reduce CO2 emissions, why not tax CO2 emissions?
Shouldn't the market work it out in the best possible way then?
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#19It's interesting watching the difference in how transit is treated by officials between NYC (where I lived last year) and Berlin (where I live this year). In NYC, we're ramping up enforcement and cracking down on fare jumping. In Berlin, it's the opposite-- less fare-enforcement and more subsidies for people to take the train. I really have a hard time seeing how NYC's strategy could be more effective. It's not even…
It's true that Berlin public transit has no physical fare enforcement (e.g. there are no ticket gates at subway stations), but the state operator of public transit is anything but lax on fare dodgers: the tickets are being checked randomly by undercover ticket inspectors, and every so often there's news of an inspector being violent [0]. The reality with ticket inspectors stands in stark contrast to the witty and playful online identity maintained by the BVG.
Additionally, repeated fare dodging is treated as fraud by the German law and repeated offences can land you in jail [1].
[0] https://www.sueddeutsche.de/panorama/bvg-berlin-strassenbahn...
Re: Germany's €9 transit ticket cuts 1.8 million tonnes of CO2
#20If the goal is to reduce CO2 emissions, why not tax CO2 emissions? Shouldn't the market work it out in the best possible way then?
Not everyone has the same belief in market based solutions as you do.