Germany's €9 transit ticket cuts 1.8 million tonnes of CO2
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Re: Germany's €9 transit ticket cuts 1.8 million tonnes of CO2
#2It's interesting watching the difference in how transit is treated by officials between NYC (where I lived last year) and Berlin (where I live this year).
In NYC, we're ramping up enforcement and cracking down on fare jumping. In Berlin, it's the opposite-- less fare-enforcement and more subsidies for people to take the train. I really have a hard time seeing how NYC's strategy could be more effective. It's not even like it's cheap.
Re: Germany's €9 transit ticket cuts 1.8 million tonnes of CO2
#3It's a bit frustrating to see that sunset clauses for laws trying something controversial aren't more common. What we're seeing right now (everyone debating whether this was good or not) is what I'd have wanted to see for most/all surveillance laws.
I'm hoping they find something reasonable to follow up; for what it costs it really left a huge impression on everyone I've been talking to, quite the flagship project.
Re: Germany's €9 transit ticket cuts 1.8 million tonnes of CO2
#4“The discounted ticket constituted a major price reduction. Normally, monthly tickets for local transportation in Berlin cost €107.“
Re: Germany's €9 transit ticket cuts 1.8 million tonnes of CO2
#5How good is the bang for the buck in reducing CO2 emissions compared eg on the CO2 credit prices on the EU carbon trading market?
Apparently this program cost 2.5 billion (https://www.german-way.com/travel-and-tourism/public-transpo...)
Edit: so 2.5 B / 1.8 M is 1400€/ton. Credits have been about 80€/ton this year according to https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/carbon - so direct emission reduction cost of this program are about 18x vs buying and sequestering credits from market. (Both ways have second order emissions effects of course, eg getting people to give up cars if this is continued, increasing carbon credit market costs for industry etc.)
Re: Germany's €9 transit ticket cuts 1.8 million tonnes of CO2
#6How good is the bang for the buck in reducing CO2 emissions compared eg on the CO2 credit prices on the EU carbon trading market? Apparently this program cost 2.5 billion ( https://www.german-way.com/travel-and-tourism/public-transpo... ) Edit: so 2.5 B / 1.8 M is 1400€/ton. Credits have been about 80€/ton this year according to https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/carbon - so direct emission reduction cost of this…
The program made mobility accessible to many more people as well, so it's not like you can divide the cost by co2 savings
Re: Germany's €9 transit ticket cuts 1.8 million tonnes of CO2
#7It's interesting watching the difference in how transit is treated by officials between NYC (where I lived last year) and Berlin (where I live this year). In NYC, we're ramping up enforcement and cracking down on fare jumping. In Berlin, it's the opposite-- less fare-enforcement and more subsidies for people to take the train. I really have a hard time seeing how NYC's strategy could be more effective. It's not even…
I’ve been to Berlin once in the last 10 or so years. Took the bus. Had to pay with a 20€ bill. The driver looked at me as if I’m trying to hand him something poisonous and waved me through.
Re: Germany's €9 transit ticket cuts 1.8 million tonnes of CO2
#8How good is the bang for the buck in reducing CO2 emissions compared eg on the CO2 credit prices on the EU carbon trading market? Apparently this program cost 2.5 billion ( https://www.german-way.com/travel-and-tourism/public-transpo... ) Edit: so 2.5 B / 1.8 M is 1400€/ton. Credits have been about 80€/ton this year according to https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/carbon - so direct emission reduction cost of this…
Reducing CO2 emissions was not the primary purpose of this program. The goal was to financially support people because prices, especially energy have increased considerably.
Re: Germany's €9 transit ticket cuts 1.8 million tonnes of CO2
#9From reading reddit, I learned that a large part was also how it simplified things. Here in the north it’s pretty straightforward, but as you can see on this map [0] it gets slightly more confusing in large parts of Germany.
[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_German_transport_assoc...
edit: Just to explain how the north is even simpler than it looks, VGSF is not relevant and simply included in NAH.SH, and HVV has a tight cooperation with NAH.SH, so it’s often just one ticket for Hamburg and Schleswig-Holstein.
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