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Tim Cook's response to Android texting compatibility: 'buy your mom an iPhone'

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Re: Tim Cook's response to Android texting compatibility: 'buy your mom an iPhone'

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Post by Overtonwindow »

tjr wrote: post #36
princevegeta89 wrote: post #11

Tried an iPhone for a month when my Samsung S21 went in for repair. The perceived sheer lack of features and big UX gaps and missing features instantly made me profoundly dislike iPhone. Just my opinion.

I started with a first-generation iPhone to replace a series of Palm Treos, and have had various iPhones since then. I've tried a few Android devices, and felt like the interface was more confusing. I'm sure I could learn it with putting in some time, but maybe it's largely a matter of what one is used to?

This was a big issue for me. I got a galaxy S3 when it came out to replace my iPhone, and it was a pretty miserable experience. Way too much need for customization, very few preinstalled apps, and really the device just became a time suck and using it. I don’t want my phone to require a lot of my time.

The iPhone has been really great at doing what I need it to do, without absorbing my time tweaking, or learning. It does have limitations, I wish to God I could get rid of Apple Maps and set google maps as default, but that’s Apple for you.

Re: Tim Cook's response to Android texting compatibility: 'buy your mom an iPhone'

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Post by hotpotamus »

fezfight wrote: post #35
hotpotamus wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the sad world that tech has built for us, you have to find the humor where you can ;)

Is there a word for self inflicted schadenfreude? If so, that, I suppose.

There might be a fancy run-on German word, but I would just go with "an average day in my life".

Re: Tim Cook's response to Android texting compatibility: 'buy your mom an iPhone'

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Post by dougmwne »

He is right on multiple levels.

If your mom is suffering the buggy, slow, bad UX of an android phone, be a good child and buy her an iPhone. It’s objectively better unless you are harboring some irrational grudge.

The walled garden is Apple’s thing. They have no reason to interoperate with Android unless they are legally forced.

And why are you sending SMS anyway? There’s a universe of messaging apps that are far more feature complete than iMessage.

Re: Tim Cook's response to Android texting compatibility: 'buy your mom an iPhone'

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Post by rahimnathwani »

Bluecobra wrote: post #39
Nomentatus wrote: post #3

The lack of interoperability is strictly illegal since it's being leveraged to expand Apple's already formidable market power (using market power to extend market power is the strictly illegal part) by pushing people to buy an iphone. Cook can hardly deny that's a conscious thought at Apple, 'cause he just said the quiet part out loud. FRO - IINAL but I do know "monopoly" is not the correct term in law, "market power…

I don't see the problem here. 20 years ago you could have said the same thing about AOL Instant Messenger not being compatible with Yahoo Messenger.

The problem comes when you use your dominant position in one market (messaging apps) to strengthen or create a dominant position in a different market (mobile phone hardware).

Re: Tim Cook's response to Android texting compatibility: 'buy your mom an iPhone'

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

smrtinsert wrote: post #20
metalliqaz wrote: post #15

Remember how much shit Microsoft got when they did crap like this with Windows and IE? I guess Bill Gates just wasn't charming enough.

Turtlenecks go a long way

Typically to the chin.

Re: Tim Cook's response to Android texting compatibility: 'buy your mom an iPhone'

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Post by emodendroket »

princevegeta89 wrote: post #11

Tried an iPhone for a month when my Samsung S21 went in for repair. The perceived sheer lack of features and big UX gaps and missing features instantly made me profoundly dislike iPhone. Just my opinion.

I used Android for years and despite liking the theoretical flexibility in practice the iPhone is better for the way I actually use the thing.

Re: Tim Cook's response to Android texting compatibility: 'buy your mom an iPhone'

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Post by Overtonwindow »

Nomentatus wrote: post #3

The lack of interoperability is strictly illegal since it's being leveraged to expand Apple's already formidable market power (using market power to extend market power is the strictly illegal part) by pushing people to buy an iphone. Cook can hardly deny that's a conscious thought at Apple, 'cause he just said the quiet part out loud. FRO - IINAL but I do know "monopoly" is not the correct term in law, "market power…

I don’t understand, where is the interoperability issue??

I can send someone who has an android phone a text message. I can send them a photo, or a video. It would seem the two are completely interoperable.

Does having your messages turn green really upset people that much?

Re: Tim Cook's response to Android texting compatibility: 'buy your mom an iPhone'

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Post by emodendroket »

pydry wrote: post #30
emodendroket wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you’re telling me that any sort of vendor lock-in is illegal then this law is being flagrantly violated all the time by everything from computers to razors to Diaper Genies.

He isnt. The illegality or lack thereof is determined by your level of market power.

That seems awfully woolly. What he actually said is “using market power to extend market power” is illegal, but without any kind of market power vendor lock-in is pointless.

Re: Tim Cook's response to Android texting compatibility: 'buy your mom an iPhone'

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Post by windowsrookie »

kurupt213 wrote: post #4

Why is iMessage even an issue? All phones can send conventional texts to each other

iMessage sends high quality pictures and videos, try to send a video thru mms and it is unusable. iMessage also has read receipts, you can see if they are typing. iMessage works over wifi without a cellular connection (which was a big deal, but I believe carries now support this for android phones)

Also iMessage automatically just works by default. You don't download an app and make an account. So for anybody who is not tech savvy they have to do nothing.

Try to explain to my grandma she has to download a messaging app and sign up for an account so I can send her a video. Not going to happen.

Re: Tim Cook's response to Android texting compatibility: 'buy your mom an iPhone'

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Post by kangalioo »

thih9 wrote: post #49
metalliqaz wrote: post #15

Remember how much shit Microsoft got when they did crap like this with Windows and IE? I guess Bill Gates just wasn't charming enough.

Somehow I don’t mind this time. I like what Apple is doing and the UX they have been able to achieve so far. I wouldn’t want to force them to adopt some third party protocol, especially if this is initiated by Google (who has a history of failed text/chat products).

They don't have to change their protocol, they'd just have to port to Android
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