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Introducing Svelte, and Comparing Svelte with React and Vue (2021)

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Re: Introducing Svelte, and Comparing Svelte with React and Vue (2021)

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Post by pragmatic »

owlbynight wrote: post #24

Have done a couple of projects with sveltekit, including a redesign of my personal website and an internal tool for myself and colleagues for quality of life. I liked working with it, but I regret not waiting for 1.0 to really dive in. The breaking changes are getting annoying, with the most annoying being recently with changes to its routing. It seems like every time I make a small change and go to rebuild my sites,…

I purposely avoided sveltekit in my current project. It's not 1.0 and it clearly states that.

I don't need it. Only seems to bring SSR which many projects simply don't need.

Svelte and vite are working fine for me.

My current project is tied for the most complicated front end project I've built.

It's offline first, pwa, service workers, indexeddb, etc etc. No problems so far. Could use better documentation but what projects can't.

Re: Introducing Svelte, and Comparing Svelte with React and Vue (2021)

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Post by sod »

Single file components like .svelte and .vue are nice at first glance. But I want typescript, eslint and prettier understand my code natively and not wrapped in custom syntax and smushed into one file that every tooling now has to support.

Maybe it's finally time for someone to standardize this - even if just pointing at what vue & svelte already do - so every tooling can go ahead and support amalgams of filetypes in a single file for any framework that wants to work like this.

It's a wonder how react managed to force their jsx and angular forced annotations into typescript just to get a good typescript experience out of the box.

Re: Introducing Svelte, and Comparing Svelte with React and Vue (2021)

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Post by jraines »

yawnxyz wrote: post #3

I've worked with all three frameworks, but as a mostly single dev/engineer I very very much prefer Svelte because it lacks a lot of boilerplate that React has, and it's easier to think about than Vue's clunky way to write variables and functions. But I'm a "hacker type" and don't work in a large tech company. I haven't seen Svelte in any sort of "real tech companies", haven't seen it on job boards, and it doesn't see…

We use it at Stylitics for our main user-facing product, a highly configurable 3rd party js widget, with many millions of engagements daily. It’s a small team that works on it directly, but we’re “real” and have to meet fairly stringent/“real” requirements from our big brand/retailer clients (and we’re hiring, email & link in profile)

Re: Introducing Svelte, and Comparing Svelte with React and Vue (2021)

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Post by auggierose »

laundermaf wrote: post #47
owlbynight wrote: post #24

Have done a couple of projects with sveltekit, including a redesign of my personal website and an internal tool for myself and colleagues for quality of life. I liked working with it, but I regret not waiting for 1.0 to really dive in. The breaking changes are getting annoying, with the most annoying being recently with changes to its routing. It seems like every time I make a small change and go to rebuild my sites,…

I think "breaking" is really part of Svelte’s life. I used Svelte since v1 five tears ago and basically I had to rewrite those small projects every time I touched them.

One tear for each year?

Re: Introducing Svelte, and Comparing Svelte with React and Vue (2021)

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Post by jjdeveloper »

pixard wrote: post #11

I work with React (Next.js) on my main project and while I don't appreciate some things generally I haven't had any issues and Next.js in particular has been great. I also find JSX stellar. I used Vue from 0.12 until around ~2.5, I really liked it at the beginning (coming from a jQuery only world) but I was forced into learning React for React Native and then I kind of standardized on it for a while and Vue fell off.…

Next.js saved me from the mess that was Gatsby and have used it for many projects but these days I find Astro simplifies things even more and has become my go to tool.

Re: Introducing Svelte, and Comparing Svelte with React and Vue (2021)

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Post by mellosouls »

actionfromafar wrote: post #53
azangru wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No one would blame you for choosing React for a major project / new startup Oh, I know people who would. Especially if that choice was made mechanically, without proper assessment of project requirements and framework strengths/weaknesses.

"Nobody ever got fired for X" is a rhetorical device which means "in most situations, you generally won't be faulted going with the most main-stream option on the market".

To be fair, as frustrating as it is sometimes for those of us who want to use the best tool, for those who have jobs affected by the risk in their decisions, it's a sound principle to default to.

Re: Introducing Svelte, and Comparing Svelte with React and Vue (2021)

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Post by cutler »

yawnxyz wrote: post #3

I've worked with all three frameworks, but as a mostly single dev/engineer I very very much prefer Svelte because it lacks a lot of boilerplate that React has, and it's easier to think about than Vue's clunky way to write variables and functions. But I'm a "hacker type" and don't work in a large tech company. I haven't seen Svelte in any sort of "real tech companies", haven't seen it on job boards, and it doesn't see…

One of React's competitive advantages is React Native. That's hard to beat.

Re: Introducing Svelte, and Comparing Svelte with React and Vue (2021)

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Post by adhoc_slime »

qwertox wrote: post #31

I'm afraid of switching to Svelte because of what happened to Angular. I switched to Vue because of Angular's 1.x to 2+ upgrade. Then I was faced with the Vue 2 to Vue 3 upgrade, which now has a lot of my code in a state of mess. Svelte has always looked so promising, just what I wanted. But my fear is that if I ditch Vue and jump to Svelte, it will do the same thing as any other framework did: become a monster and c…

I did the vue 3 bump a while back and Evan You did a fantastic commit by commit repo to follow along and there's even a migration build of vue 2 which warns you of all the areas where your app will break in vue 3, really fantastic.

I can't claim that that upgrade was painless, it took a few days with an app with > 10 pages, >20 custom components and I had to push ahead with re-writing a 3rd party component or 2 that was only vue 2 at the time (honestly I should never have used them in the first place. reap what you sow). But build times are faster, my bundle size is a lot smaller, I'm really pleased with the new features, and I'm a building faster as a result.

Re: Introducing Svelte, and Comparing Svelte with React and Vue (2021)

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Post by solardev »

ricardobeat wrote: post #45
mritchie712 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a case of "Nobody ever got fired for choosing X"[0]. No one would blame you for choosing React for a major project / new startup, but someone could definitely poke holes in choosing Svelte ("theres no package for X", "it doesn't scale", "we can't find devs that know it", etc.) 0 - https://www.quora.com/What-does-the-phrase-Nobody-ever-got-f...

Absolutely. I tried to push us to try Svelte at my last job at BigCo for over four years , to replace an internal templating system. We didn't even use React or Node yet, so not only we had to convince the old guard to adopt something new, but also deal with the React-grown crowd protesting. You can't imagine the amount of flak I've taken for that. Managed to get it on a back-of-the-house system, while we built a mas…

Man, on one hand... evaluating frameworks is just part of the job, right? Same as evaluating a vendor service, or a third-party package, or an architecture or a pattern...

On the other hand, novelty burnout is a real thing. Javascript has mutated so much in a short period of time that it's become impossible to keep up with -- especially once you factor in frameworks and tooling.

Times like this, I wish vanilla JS/ECMAscript was more powerful out of the box. For a language designed to work with the HTML DOM -- the ONLY language that works natively with it -- it is so woefully underpowered. Why do we need a framework at all to do a simple stateful AJAX UI? =/

For many sites and apps, the business logic SHOULD be the focus of dev time, but it's not... it's implementing trivial business logic inside of the ever-growing monster that is the JS ecosystem. There are 1000 ways to do anything in JS, but never just one good way.

Re: Introducing Svelte, and Comparing Svelte with React and Vue (2021)

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Post by whiddershins »

spuz wrote: post #49
yawnxyz wrote: post #3

I've worked with all three frameworks, but as a mostly single dev/engineer I very very much prefer Svelte because it lacks a lot of boilerplate that React has, and it's easier to think about than Vue's clunky way to write variables and functions. But I'm a "hacker type" and don't work in a large tech company. I haven't seen Svelte in any sort of "real tech companies", haven't seen it on job boards, and it doesn't see…

Check out https://sveltejobs.com/ And also the #jobs channel on the Svelte Discord https://svelte.dev/chat There are jobs being posted every day. And btw, we're one of those looking for Svelte engineers.

I’m an engineer who has recently done a large project and a few small ones in Svelte. Where do I apply?
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