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Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

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Post by DonHopkins »

PraetorianGourd wrote: post #100
samstave wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, but you still made the trillion pounds of e-waste from everything you did do, and profitted off of jony's shitty fucking life-cycle understanding of anything plastic... Fuck Jobs worship. He DID CREATE a ton of shit that the world doesnt need in the environment and by claiming that appl is some beacon of the most amazing design - nope. If appl was the bastion for thought on product design, I wouldnt have ~20 br…

Was any of this rant typed on an Apple product? Just because a little drunk and thus quite feisty.

It would have been a perfectly ironic rant, if only it ended with "Sent from my iPad".

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Post by throwaway787544 »

gorgoiler wrote: post #180

I have never resolved my conflict between a Christian love for my fellow human and being very fast to lose my temper with strangers. I wish I could swing to the former and away from the latter. I feel it is rooted in a spidey-sense for detecting when people around me lack humility or competence. I am completely useless at so many things, I am self aware of this, and while I want to get better I am realistic about it…

I think it's less a "Spidey sense" and more an ego self defense mechanism. You hate or fear something and go into anger mode because you want to change it. But there isn't actually any external threat - the threat is internal. You're fighting a feeling or thought you want to suppress, and it's being directed outward because you don't want to acknowledge it. (IANAT)

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Post by happyhardcore »

gjulianm wrote: post #177
hackernewds wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or perhaps he left in his own terms. Which is a happier ending than grueling chemotherapy

Jobs had a pancreatic cancer with a very good chance of complete cure via surgery and chemotherapy. I think that a cure would have been a happier ending than suffering and dying from pancreatic cancer.

Pancreatic cancer actually has one of the worst survival rates; in the UK around 25% of people diagnosed survive past a year, with 5% living more than five years after diagnosis [0]. Chemo in those circumstances often has the effect of prolonging life while significantly decreasing the quality of life, and as such many people choose not to go through with it.

[0] https://www.cancerresearchuk.org/about-cancer/pancreatic-can...

Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

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Post by felix318 »

gorgoiler wrote: post #180

I have never resolved my conflict between a Christian love for my fellow human and being very fast to lose my temper with strangers. I wish I could swing to the former and away from the latter. I feel it is rooted in a spidey-sense for detecting when people around me lack humility or competence. I am completely useless at so many things, I am self aware of this, and while I want to get better I am realistic about it…

The Christian dilemma, almost a paradox really, is that the more you love humanity the harder it is to love humans.

Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

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Post by auslegung »

felix318 wrote: post #184
gorgoiler wrote: post #180

I have never resolved my conflict between a Christian love for my fellow human and being very fast to lose my temper with strangers. I wish I could swing to the former and away from the latter. I feel it is rooted in a spidey-sense for detecting when people around me lack humility or competence. I am completely useless at so many things, I am self aware of this, and while I want to get better I am realistic about it…

The Christian dilemma, almost a paradox really, is that the more you love humanity the harder it is to love humans.

Source? This is absurd from a Christian perspective. Not a MAGA perspective but an orthodox Christian perspective. Or Islam, or Jewish, or Buddhist, etc

Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

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Post by snowwrestler »

testmasterflex wrote: post #4

Makes me think of something I always wondered; did Steve know programming? He did work at Atari right? I think I’ve always attributed Steve’s huge success to 3 things; Meeting Woz, Meeting Markkula and spending a lot of time to practise articulating himself. I must admit, I envy the man. Who doesn’t. Apple is a fantastic company and keeps releasing great products.

But a lot of people met Woz and Markkula during their lifetimes. And arguably Woz and Markkula had their biggest impacts in their work with Jobs. Woz in particular did a bunch of stuff after Apple and none of it was remotely as big as his role in founding Apple with Jobs.

So, empirically it seems like there’s something Jobs brought to these relationships, something pretty important. But it’s hard to describe. Perhaps that is one reason people are still talking about him a decade later.

Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

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Post by ambientenv »

sidcool wrote: post #48

It's a habit of the internet diaspora to label a person either good or bad; binary, with no wiggle room to model the complexity of psychology. Steve, like any other human, is a shade of grey. He did some awful things and some great ones. That's that. It neither makes him a monster nor a saint. It makes him a... Human.

I believe this is mostly true. When we - the broad-brush, general "we" - try so hard to vilify others, I find myself questioning the motives for doing so and it often appears to be self-serving. Looking carefully at the crises unfolding in our world, one can see that we - humans - are not the grand, omnipotent domain -rulers we believe we are. I think the bigger question for Mr Jobs and the rest of us is, what do we truly value and how do we honour and stay true to those values?

Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

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Post by paulcole »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #63
spoonjim wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you think Steve Jobs was just some lucky huckster you will never ship a great product.

> If you think Steve Jobs was just some lucky huckster you will never ship a great product Help build, perhaps. But never command, ship or sell. It's one thing to recognize a skill in someone you do not have. It's another to fail to ever see it.

By that definition (for things of a certain scale), does anyone ship a great product?

I think it’s fair to say the iPhone/iPod and by extension iPad never ships without Steve Jobs.

Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

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Post by cdelsolar »

sidcool wrote: post #74
dbxkcichhdfufu wrote: post #62

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Hitler, mao and stalin can all go jump as far as I'm concerned. I'm sure they weren't pure evil either but sometimes people deserve the label.

Those are extreme exceptions. Steve Jobs and the others you mentioned are not even in close leagues. That was my point, we try to judge everyone with the same yardstick and divide them in strict binary buckets. By that logic, Steve Jobs would either belong to same category as either Hitler or Gandhi.

Gandhi was a horrible racist.

Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

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Post by ninkendo »

happyhardcore wrote: post #183
gjulianm wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jobs had a pancreatic cancer with a very good chance of complete cure via surgery and chemotherapy. I think that a cure would have been a happier ending than suffering and dying from pancreatic cancer.

Pancreatic cancer actually has one of the worst survival rates; in the UK around 25% of people diagnosed survive past a year, with 5% living more than five years after diagnosis [0]. Chemo in those circumstances often has the effect of prolonging life while significantly decreasing the quality of life, and as such many people choose not to go through with it. [0] https://www.cancerresearchuk.org/about-cancer/pancreat…

Right but Steve had a rare version of pancreatic cancer that was totally curable and had good odds of success. But he waited too long while wasting his time with at-home remedies (an all-fruit diet, which actually made things worse), and by the time he followed his doctor’s advice it was too late:

https://blogs.webmd.com/from-our-archives/20111006/steve-job...

> Once it was clear that Jobs had the rare islet-cell pancreatic cancer, there was an excellent chance of a cure. According to Cleveland Clinic gastroenterologist Maged Rizk, MD, there’s an overall 80% to 90% chance of 5-year survival. In the world of cancer survival, that’s a huge milestone.

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