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Introducing Svelte, and Comparing Svelte with React and Vue (2021)

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Re: Introducing Svelte, and Comparing Svelte with React and Vue (2021)

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Post by mritchie712 »

yawnxyz wrote: post #3

I've worked with all three frameworks, but as a mostly single dev/engineer I very very much prefer Svelte because it lacks a lot of boilerplate that React has, and it's easier to think about than Vue's clunky way to write variables and functions. But I'm a "hacker type" and don't work in a large tech company. I haven't seen Svelte in any sort of "real tech companies", haven't seen it on job boards, and it doesn't see…

It's a case of "Nobody ever got fired for choosing X"[0]. No one would blame you for choosing React for a major project / new startup, but someone could definitely poke holes in choosing Svelte ("theres no package for X", "it doesn't scale", "we can't find devs that know it", etc.)

0 - https://www.quora.com/What-does-the-phrase-Nobody-ever-got-f...

Re: Introducing Svelte, and Comparing Svelte with React and Vue (2021)

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Post by msdrigg »

yawnxyz wrote: post #3

I've worked with all three frameworks, but as a mostly single dev/engineer I very very much prefer Svelte because it lacks a lot of boilerplate that React has, and it's easier to think about than Vue's clunky way to write variables and functions. But I'm a "hacker type" and don't work in a large tech company. I haven't seen Svelte in any sort of "real tech companies", haven't seen it on job boards, and it doesn't see…

I know svelte is a very common choice for larger news sites to build interactive stories. Ive specifically heart of NYT using it as well as pudding.cool.

It makes sense for this small website extension because you can build and compile a small component without having to bundle the entire react runtime in.

Re: Introducing Svelte, and Comparing Svelte with React and Vue (2021)

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Post by tomgp »

xrd wrote: post #29
Vanit wrote: post #7

I'd really like to hear more from Svelte devs about what non-happy paths look like. I specialise in React.js and there are any number of escape hatches to make sure you can get something working just the way you want. What I fear about Svelte is getting to 95% complete and finding the one obscure thing a stakeholder will not budge on is not possible.

Svelte is much closer to regular JavaScript. There really isn't anything you can't do with svelte that you cannot do with vanilla JavaScript. Everything is JavaScript in the end, but react forces you to go through their framework and that's why you need escape hatches. You just don't need that with svelte at all. It's wild when you get that part of it. The reactive part of svelte is just adding stuff during the compi…

Yeah, this matches my experience moving from React (5+ yrs) to Svelte (2 shipped 3 month projects over the last couple of years at this point). Svelte clearly lacks the massive community support of React but I've found it easier to get by on my understanding of JS and the DOM when I get stuck. I've heard lots of gripeing from other React devs about the $ syntax and a few other things around lack of JSX but that feels like really small change when compared to the flexibility Svelte allows around things like transitions (no more hooks!).

Re: Introducing Svelte, and Comparing Svelte with React and Vue (2021)

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Post by ricardobeat »

mritchie712 wrote: post #41
yawnxyz wrote: post #3

I've worked with all three frameworks, but as a mostly single dev/engineer I very very much prefer Svelte because it lacks a lot of boilerplate that React has, and it's easier to think about than Vue's clunky way to write variables and functions. But I'm a "hacker type" and don't work in a large tech company. I haven't seen Svelte in any sort of "real tech companies", haven't seen it on job boards, and it doesn't see…

It's a case of "Nobody ever got fired for choosing X"[0]. No one would blame you for choosing React for a major project / new startup, but someone could definitely poke holes in choosing Svelte ("theres no package for X", "it doesn't scale", "we can't find devs that know it", etc.) 0 - https://www.quora.com/What-does-the-phrase-Nobody-ever-got-f...

Absolutely. I tried to push us to try Svelte at my last job at BigCo for over four years, to replace an internal templating system. We didn't even use React or Node yet, so not only we had to convince the old guard to adopt something new, but also deal with the React-grown crowd protesting.

You can't imagine the amount of flak I've taken for that. Managed to get it on a back-of-the-house system, while we built a massively complex React app for the main product. Everyone who worked on it loved it, but was still considered risky. Now that it has a gazillion GH stars and is mentioned in 1 out of 3 blog posts, of course things are much easier.

Re: Introducing Svelte, and Comparing Svelte with React and Vue (2021)

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Post by shroompasta »

Svelte/Solid JS and reactivity are great; Reactivity definitely is a better philosophy than Virtual DOM diffing.

However, I'd like to add one more reason to the "arguments adopting svelte" and that is native development.

Svelte Native doesn't even come close to touching React Native in maturity, and I'm willing to bet it never will.

For a startup to consider a frontend technology, React is easily the better choice in terms of capital because there is no way you're going to build a production ready native app in Svelte Native.

If you were to build your web client in Svelte, then you would have to spend capital on another team to build Native (God forbid in React Native), in which you would split teams on ios and android.

Or you could you use just one team for React + RN altogether and save you possibly millions in capital.

Also I'd like to mention that the NYT article that was linked to showcase Svelete actually showcases more of D3 instead.

Mike Bostock also used to work for NYT and NYT absolutely loves using D3.

Re: Introducing Svelte, and Comparing Svelte with React and Vue (2021)

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Post by laundermaf »

owlbynight wrote: post #24

Have done a couple of projects with sveltekit, including a redesign of my personal website and an internal tool for myself and colleagues for quality of life. I liked working with it, but I regret not waiting for 1.0 to really dive in. The breaking changes are getting annoying, with the most annoying being recently with changes to its routing. It seems like every time I make a small change and go to rebuild my sites,…

I think "breaking" is really part of Svelte’s life. I used Svelte since v1 five tears ago and basically I had to rewrite those small projects every time I touched them.

Re: Introducing Svelte, and Comparing Svelte with React and Vue (2021)

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Post by gpas »

newbieuser wrote: post #4

I think svelte is a project that will always remain experimental.

Svelte is used in production by several high profile companies. NYT in primis, since its creator Rich Harris worked there, but also Spotify, Ikea, Reuters, Brave...we can debate if it's not as mature as other frameworks, but definitely is not experimental.

Re: Introducing Svelte, and Comparing Svelte with React and Vue (2021)

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Post by spuz »

yawnxyz wrote: post #3

I've worked with all three frameworks, but as a mostly single dev/engineer I very very much prefer Svelte because it lacks a lot of boilerplate that React has, and it's easier to think about than Vue's clunky way to write variables and functions. But I'm a "hacker type" and don't work in a large tech company. I haven't seen Svelte in any sort of "real tech companies", haven't seen it on job boards, and it doesn't see…

Check out https://sveltejobs.com/

And also the #jobs channel on the Svelte Discord https://svelte.dev/chat

There are jobs being posted every day. And btw, we're one of those looking for Svelte engineers.

Re: Introducing Svelte, and Comparing Svelte with React and Vue (2021)

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Post by actionfromafar »

qwertox wrote: post #31

I'm afraid of switching to Svelte because of what happened to Angular. I switched to Vue because of Angular's 1.x to 2+ upgrade. Then I was faced with the Vue 2 to Vue 3 upgrade, which now has a lot of my code in a state of mess. Svelte has always looked so promising, just what I wanted. But my fear is that if I ditch Vue and jump to Svelte, it will do the same thing as any other framework did: become a monster and c…

Haha, I've had this reaction vs other technologies.

But in hindsight your comment (which could have been mine a few years back!), is really funny. Basically, are you staying with Vue because it's the monster you know, or why don't you fear Vue becoming a monster? :)

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