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“UBO Minus (MV3)” – An Experimental uBlock Origin Build for Manifest V3

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Re: “UBO Minus (MV3)” – An Experimental uBlock Origin Build for Manifest V3

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Post by tpxl »

plaguepilled wrote: post #218
tpxl wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, what? How are youtube ads hurting neurodivergent people in a way they don't hurt 'normal' people? If you can't handle youtube ads, don't go to youtube.

YouTube ads directly try to game the users attention. This is distinct from regular advertising (billboards et al) because your engagement directly and quickly affects what ads are served to you. People who have particular sensitivity to attention changes ('attention deficit' might be a term for it, but there are other ways it can manifest) are going to be affected disproportionately by this, even if they don't dispr…

> This is distinct from regular advertising (billboards et al) because your engagement directly and quickly affects what ads are served to you.

This is exactly the same as TV and radio ads have been for decades now. Which ad is served is not at all relevant.

> You can make the case that 'if you can't handle YouTube ads, don't go on YouTube', but then that runs counter to a lot of YouTube's content marketing and brand image. So if you take that stance, you then have to necessarily question the motives behind their other choices.

Take some damned personal responsibility. If something is causing you distress, stop doing it. Whether it's cigarettes, alcohol or youtube, it doesn't matter.

Re: “UBO Minus (MV3)” – An Experimental uBlock Origin Build for Manifest V3

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Post by Dylan16807 »

Dalewyn wrote: post #208
ethbr0 wrote: post #118

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The only thing that ever gets mass migration is substantial superiority in features they use. Originally, it was tabbed browsing, which Opera and Mozilla had ~5 years before IE. Yes, Microsoft sucked that much in those days. With Chrome, it was an embedded PDF viewer and V8 performance. So essentially, mostly people don't switch browsers unless there's a very good reason to do so.

This comment is perhaps the most accurate take on the fall of IE. Firefox dethroned IE not because it was "MuH fReE oPeN sOuRcE sOfTwArE" or "MuH nEtScApE", it was because Firefox was superior to IE in performance and feature set. It was better than IE at being practical and enabling users to do things they needed or wanted to do. Shortly after, Chrome rolled around and it was superior in performance (RAM hogginess a…

Am I the only one where chrome was never faster than firefox?

Anyway, if google started pushing firefox the way it does and has pushed chrome, I think that number would start moving pretty fast.

Re: “UBO Minus (MV3)” – An Experimental uBlock Origin Build for Manifest V3

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Post by pmontra »

pabs3 wrote: post #192
bsilvereagle wrote: post #175

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> usershare is at risk My impression from way back in the uMatrix days was that marketshare is not a concern for gorhill and that the u* family are a labor of love to improve the internet for everyone.

Some folks still use uMatrix and wish uBlock had an advanced advanced mode to replace it :)

I do keep using uMatrix. Its matrix UI is a nearly perfect. I also use uBlock Origin and I can't understand how to achieve the same results with the mini-matrix in its UI. ++ -- ??? It lacks the columns that explain what you're blocking or allowing. I read the documentation more than once and I still don't understand how to use it. Maybe I lack the incentive because uMatrix still works and it's so much better at that.

Re: “UBO Minus (MV3)” – An Experimental uBlock Origin Build for Manifest V3

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Post by EbNar »

horsawlarway wrote: post #23

I approve (of both the release and the name). I see plenty of folks in here lamenting this release at all - in the hopes that the lack of it will push folks to Firefox. It won't. Those who care about this are already on Firefox, and frankly - Firefox isn't going to be the answer here (to be clear, this is opinion). I'm also not thrilled at manifest v3, although for very different reasons than the adblocking limitatio…

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Post by Dalewyn »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #222
Dalewyn wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This comment is perhaps the most accurate take on the fall of IE. Firefox dethroned IE not because it was "MuH fReE oPeN sOuRcE sOfTwArE" or "MuH nEtScApE", it was because Firefox was superior to IE in performance and feature set. It was better than IE at being practical and enabling users to do things they needed or wanted to do. Shortly after, Chrome rolled around and it was superior in performance (RAM hogginess a…

Am I the only one where chrome was never faster than firefox? Anyway, if google started pushing firefox the way it does and has pushed chrome, I think that number would start moving pretty fast.

At least for me, Chrome was always faster than Firefox, though this always came at a substantial cost in RAM demands among other computer resources. This difference in speed has only become more and more apparent over the years as more and more websites have gotten bloated with reams of JavaShit and HTML5 nonsense.

I'm also of the impression that Mozilla and Google's respective marketing ultimately had a very minor impact on overall adoption. The key driver behind Firefox and subsequently Chrome's mainstream adoption was initial uptake by power users who then spread it to the commons by word of mouth. The latter is arguably still ongoing, seeing as OS-default browsers like Edge (let alone third-party browsers like Firefox) still can't even hope to compete with Chrome.

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Post by Arnavion »

pmontra wrote: post #223
pabs3 wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some folks still use uMatrix and wish uBlock had an advanced advanced mode to replace it :)

I do keep using uMatrix. Its matrix UI is a nearly perfect. I also use uBlock Origin and I can't understand how to achieve the same results with the mini-matrix in its UI. ++ -- ??? It lacks the columns that explain what you're blocking or allowing. I read the documentation more than once and I still don't understand how to use it. Maybe I lack the incentive because uMatrix still works and it's so much better at that…

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26284124

Re: “UBO Minus (MV3)” – An Experimental uBlock Origin Build for Manifest V3

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Post by HeckFeck »

b112 wrote: post #219
leni536 wrote: post #206

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> it was bad technology Was it really?

It was horrible . Completely and totally horrible. Adobe very poorly maintained it, it had constant security issues, it was poorly coded, and was abused as an ad platform. When Linux moved to amd64 / 64bit exes, it took them years to port it from 32bit to 64bit. Why? The codebase was a mess, and they put one dude on it, and his complaints leaked all over the place (I'm sorry it's taking me so long, but this codebase…

I had no idea it was this bad behind the curtain. My association with Flash is positive, though entirely for the animation culture it engendered and not the problems like these. I wonder whether Director/Shockwave was any better?

Also, mad respect to the developers at http://ruffle.rs, who are having to do it _again_! Maybe they have a chance to implement the Flash runtime cleanly.

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Post by boredhedgehog »

bsilvereagle wrote: post #175
somehnacct3757 wrote: post #158

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I do think there's a bit of sour grapes. You can only use the MV2 version until January. After that the main point to using the MV3 extension will be that it exists. I sort of like the idea of UBO Minus, regardless of whether they do a full MV3 version of UBO later. It's more private than UBO could ever be. If it's enough, it's actually quite a nice extension. Methinks a competitor ad blocker leaning into MV3 and cla…

> usershare is at risk My impression from way back in the uMatrix days was that marketshare is not a concern for gorhill and that the u* family are a labor of love to improve the internet for everyone.

A dilemma as old as art, isn't it? Will you stay true to your most profound convictions, even if it consigns your work to obscurity? Or will you compromise, gaining more attention and influence, but for a lesser artifact?

We wouldn't be having this conversation if uBlock was a Firefox-only extension. It would have no momentum and no traction, barely any feedback, and nobody would care what gorhill had to say about improving the internet.

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Post by plaguepilled »

tpxl wrote: post #221
plaguepilled wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

YouTube ads directly try to game the users attention. This is distinct from regular advertising (billboards et al) because your engagement directly and quickly affects what ads are served to you. People who have particular sensitivity to attention changes ('attention deficit' might be a term for it, but there are other ways it can manifest) are going to be affected disproportionately by this, even if they don't dispr…

> This is distinct from regular advertising (billboards et al) because your engagement directly and quickly affects what ads are served to you. This is exactly the same as TV and radio ads have been for decades now. Which ad is served is not at all relevant. > You can make the case that 'if you can't handle YouTube ads, don't go on YouTube', but then that runs counter to a lot of YouTube's content marketing and brand…

>This is exactly the same as TV and radio ads have been for decades now. Which ad is served is not at all relevant

I'm sorry but that's just incorrect, and on top of that, you've fixated on the wrong point. The form does affect the impact on the users heavily, and can be observed by how long a given user spends looking at an ad vs how long a television ad holds someone's attention (if you doubt this, feel free to conduct an A/B test and find out for yourself). And the point I was making was that the way the ads are designed and delivered has a feedback loop MUCH more rapid than TV and radio ads, and the algorithms exploit that. Don't argue with a strawman.

>Take some damned personal responsibility. If something is causing you distress, stop doing it. Whether it's cigarettes, alcohol or youtube, it doesn't matter.

I'm not taking responsibility for anyone, sorry. I'm talking about a group of people, not myself. Regardless, this component of your reply was just plain silly. Please don't try to talk to people like that.

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