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Tim Cook says ‘buy your mom an iPhone’ if you want to end green bubbles

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Re: Tim Cook says ‘buy your mom an iPhone’ if you want to end green bubbles

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Post by kioleanu »

hulitu wrote: post #20
marginalia_nu wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? I'm yet another European who only ever gets SMS from my elderly mother, for 2FA (usually only when dealing with American companies), parcel deliveries, and so on. Oh, and spam and frauds, that's like 75% of the messages I get.

Come to Germany. Enjoy the power of digital communication. I work in a town close to the city center in a new building and i have to go to a certain window to be able to talk on the phone. To have cellular data i have to go out of the building.

I had the same problem when using Aldi Talk, switched to Telekom and it's much better, but I am at the edge of the coverage area. I've seen it on the phones of the people that were visting me that Vodafone works much better in the house, but I don't want to work with them

Re: Tim Cook says ‘buy your mom an iPhone’ if you want to end green bubbles

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Post by Symbiote »

arinlen wrote: post #30
satyamkapoor wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or Messenger. Strangely, Messenger is more popular than WhatsApp in Europe. Got the context though

> Or Messenger. Strangely, Messenger is more popular than WhatsApp in Europe. Got the context though I lived in Europe all my life and never heard of Messenger. WhatsApp is pervasive. We get the WhatsApp logo shoved in our faces even while casually watching tv. Even TV programs and state institutions have WhatsApp contacts.

Don't generalise all of Europe without checking the statistics.

Messenger is the most popular chat app in France, Scandinavia and most of Eastern Europe. WhatsApp has the rest. Except Viber in Serbia and Belarus.

(Messenger is Facebook Messenger, everyone who has a Facebook account has it, though not necessarily in use on their phone.)

Re: Tim Cook says ‘buy your mom an iPhone’ if you want to end green bubbles

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Post by rdhatt »

kioleanu wrote: post #7

How big of a problem is this in the states? In Europe, nobody I know, and I really mean I don’t know one single person that uses SMS or SMS-like apps like iMessage. If I open my messages app, I only have there my 2FA messages. It’s either WhatsApp or Signal

This question comes up commonly on reddit —- yes iMessage is very popular here. In my experience - Facebook Messenger, Snapchat, Discord are the top messaging services.

Whatsapp is not uncommon to be sure, but I would wager a significant portion of users in the United States have it installed because they chat with people overseas.

Signal & Telegram are pretty small userbases.

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Post by bdcravens »

chaosbolt wrote: post #21

When your only innovation is a cut out hole and always on display, both of which have been on other phones for years, your only play is the color in which the messages appear.

I'm sure the ability to use satellite for emergency service in the event you don't have cellular service qualifies as an innovation.

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Post by arinlen »

Symbiote wrote: post #32
arinlen wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Or Messenger. Strangely, Messenger is more popular than WhatsApp in Europe. Got the context though I lived in Europe all my life and never heard of Messenger. WhatsApp is pervasive. We get the WhatsApp logo shoved in our faces even while casually watching tv. Even TV programs and state institutions have WhatsApp contacts.

Don't generalise all of Europe without checking the statistics. Messenger is the most popular chat app in France, Scandinavia and most of Eastern Europe. WhatsApp has the rest. Except Viber in Serbia and Belarus. (Messenger is Facebook Messenger, everyone who has a Facebook account has it, though not necessarily in use on their phone.)

> Don't generalise all of Europe without checking the statistics.

If you admit that WhatsApp is the dominant messaging app in the whole Europe except for a hand-full of countries, and still in spite of your admission you still try to pass Messenger as ubiquitous in Europe, you shouldn't be talking about generalizations.

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Post by shapefrog »

superchroma wrote: post #2

In my corporate training, we're counselled to never refer to what competitors do, and particularly not to discuss affecting competitor sales (even braggadociously), matters of marketshare etc. to avoid running into risk of bad legal outcomes if such material were to be brought up in trial. Interesting how Apple does not feel compelled to hold itself to the same standard.

> corporate training

I guess Apple, with its $2.5 trillion in market cap and net profit margin of 24% still has a lot to learn from Joe at "Corporate Training e-books LLC".

Re: Tim Cook says ‘buy your mom an iPhone’ if you want to end green bubbles

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Post by shapefrog »

kioleanu wrote: post #7

How big of a problem is this in the states? In Europe, nobody I know, and I really mean I don’t know one single person that uses SMS or SMS-like apps like iMessage. If I open my messages app, I only have there my 2FA messages. It’s either WhatsApp or Signal

> I only have there my 2FA messages

Inbound texts from my bank etc come up as grey - no different to inbound iMessage so never actually noticed it.

Re: Tim Cook says ‘buy your mom an iPhone’ if you want to end green bubbles

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Post by TheLoafOfBread »

izacus wrote: post #9
kioleanu wrote: post #7

How big of a problem is this in the states? In Europe, nobody I know, and I really mean I don’t know one single person that uses SMS or SMS-like apps like iMessage. If I open my messages app, I only have there my 2FA messages. It’s either WhatsApp or Signal

That is not true at all. Even close, why does someone always spew this stuff here? There's billions of SMS messages delivered every day in Europe - from businesses to people who don't have Facebooks WhatsApp/Messenger preinstalled. Why is it so hard to understand that your little life bubble isn't the whole world?

Nobody in Europe is using SMS for communication, because it is bloody expensive.

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Post by 988747 »

TheLoafOfBread wrote: post #39
izacus wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is not true at all. Even close, why does someone always spew this stuff here? There's billions of SMS messages delivered every day in Europe - from businesses to people who don't have Facebooks WhatsApp/Messenger preinstalled. Why is it so hard to understand that your little life bubble isn't the whole world?

Nobody in Europe is using SMS for communication, because it is bloody expensive.

What? SMS and voice calls are free in most plans.

I agree that these times people communicate over Facebook Messenger or WhatsApp much more than through SMS but that has nothing to do with cost.

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