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They are targeting enough battery to run a full Ironman or be offline for a weekend (60 hours). The explorer focus was just wacky.

The picture showing an explorer dominating a snowy mountain is hilarious, I hope he brought several battery packs to charge the watch.

> The picture showing an explorer dominating a snowy mountain is hilarious

Without any gloves too.

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> 18-22 days of battery life. Only in "smartwatch" mode - ie. pretty much everything is turned off. In GPS mode, you get 73 hours (which is more than the 60 you get on the Watch Ultra in conservation mode, yes, but vastly lower than "18-22 days"!)

The Apple Watch battery life quote seems misleading due to this: "1. During normal use, Apple Watch Ultra can reach up to 36 hours of battery life with iPhone present." Normal use WITH an iPhone present. I have a feeling the Apple Watch by itself in GPS mode will be much less.

> I have a feeling the Apple Watch by itself in GPS mode will be much less.

That will be an interesting figure to find out when people start reviewing them.

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Apple is missing the mark in this segment. Their competitors: Garmin, coros all offer weeks of battery life with tradeoffs people in this segment happily make. I get 20 days of battery life on my coros pace 2. Charging a apple watch every night or two would not be acceptable.

Agreed. I'm a competitive runner and nobody in that community is showing up to interval workouts with an Apple watch. I don't see this watch changing that, especially when better battery life and tracking (which is all the road/track running segment really cares about) can be had at a fraction of the cost with Garmin or Coros. The ultra/hiking community will run into problems with the 36 hour battery life, especially…

Same with cyclists. Head units from Garmin or Wahoo are far superior but an Apple Watch could be a decent alternative if it at least supported ANT+ to connect a power meter and a range of sensors. Or Strava Live Segments (maybe they do via the Strava App?).

Currently The Apple Watch is a nice casual fitness tracker and the Watch Ultra doesn't change any of that.

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How can they call 36 hours of battery life "long"? The $799 version Garmin Fenix 7 solar (which they seem to be targeting) has an 18-22 days of battery life.

> 18-22 days of battery life. Only in "smartwatch" mode - ie. pretty much everything is turned off. In GPS mode, you get 73 hours (which is more than the 60 you get on the Watch Ultra in conservation mode, yes, but vastly lower than "18-22 days"!)

In smartwatch mode, pulse ox, always on and gps is disabled: https://support.garmin.com/en-US/?faq=A1gzB6SLZF6e9nnyZOfFM6. The battery life is not very different from Watch series 7 if these things were enabled.

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I have Garmin fenix 6s now. I do long runs and thus switched to Garmin from Apple watch way back then. With the Watch Ultra I am thinking in few iteration it might become a fair choice for me.

What I really hope is that Apple somehow allow battery extensions. E.g. a battery extension strap or something along that line. Then it will for sure be a choice for me.

Imagine on back of the wrist is the watch and a battery on the other side that connects to the watch and extends the battery life for days.

Re: Apple Introduces Apple Watch Ultra

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Garmin Fenix cannot replace a phone, but has better battery life. The Apple Watch Ultra can do most of the things you'd need your iPhone for out on a trip. If you are really UL, you can ditch the phone and just use the Ultra. Apple Watch + small battery is lighter than a Fenix + iPhone + battery.

Are the battery packs with a solar panel on them worth it?

Good question.

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It's not a huge deal. When I go on multi-day backpacking trips, I carry battery packs and/or solar chargers with me anyway, because I need to be able to charge my phone.

I thought this was a thing of a past? Mine easily lasts 4-5 days if I turn off wifi and bt (which I assume you don't need much when backpacking).

It depends how many photos you take!

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onlyrealcuzzo gets it. The pitch is basically: Buy Apple products. You might not be a pro photographer, but you could be an Instagram legend. You will be an Instagram legend. Think of the likes. THINK OF THE FAME. How could it not happen with a device of this quality? Look at the photos. Look how gorgeous they are! Just drop $10k on an Apple load-out and don't think too much about it. It's not like it matters. You'll…

Or—much more simply—some people use a few of these features occasionally to take nice pictures of things they are doing, track their hikes on the weekend or whatever. It amazes me to see the extents people will go to in order to pretend they can’t even conceive of simple scenarios.

Absolutely I can conceive of those scenarios. They make some tremendous products (even if they often get a pass on some pretty serious bugs and flaws).

They're marketing though is aspirational to the point of appealing to people's delusions of grandeur. Apple is very aware that barely any of their customers will be using a dive computer and most Pro phone customers won't be dealing with ProRAW, even if a minority genuinely appreciate it for their workflow.

This is going to sound made up, totally realise that, but that's kind of my point (it seems silly written out) - last night I was talking to a buddy of mine after the event and he said he's going out to get the Watch Pro at release. He's not a diver and hikes very rarely (locally, with good cell reception) so I asked why. The answer was the extra button, because it looks different from a normal one and people will know he has the Pro model. This is Apple's market, and they know it - the rest is just window dressing.

This dude can't afford a $900 watch right now.

It's not Apple's fault people make poor financial decisions, but they very much rely on it.

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Apple is missing the mark in this segment. Their competitors: Garmin, coros all offer weeks of battery life with tradeoffs people in this segment happily make. I get 20 days of battery life on my coros pace 2. Charging a apple watch every night or two would not be acceptable.

Agreed. I'm a competitive runner and nobody in that community is showing up to interval workouts with an Apple watch. I don't see this watch changing that, especially when better battery life and tracking (which is all the road/track running segment really cares about) can be had at a fraction of the cost with Garmin or Coros. The ultra/hiking community will run into problems with the 36 hour battery life, especially…

I think this is a the first act from apple entering into active lifestyle market for the endurance/outback/mountain and outgoing folks.

It is definitely not for me this year, it does not have the battery life I need during an excursion and there is no possibility of charge on the go (like good old Garmin watches that you can charge while using during an activity).

But in few years it will advance the same way apple watch has advanced :-).

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People are getting hung up on battery life. You have to realize Apple is creating the equivalent of the luxury Mercedes G-Wagon for off-roading, when in reality a Jeep Rubicon (Garmin) addresses all of your real needs at 1/3 the price.

The problem with Garmin is that they obsessively fragment/segment/differentiate their market/products. It's infuriating that such an expensive watch will be unable to do some basic feature because they want to sell a "golf" version of the watch or a "sailing" version and so on. They'll also release some feature that clearly is possible to implement on even current products elsewhere in the lineup - and isn't even rea…

Garmin’s branding and segmentation is complete mess. After hour of browsing I still cannot figure out what to buy and the real differentiators. Their compare tool is useless. It has all the characteristics of no attention to details. The whole company is surviving simply because they turn off GPS, wifi and always on to boost the battery life to 5X. There is no other visible magic souse. It is also beyond me why Apple can’t simply add “modes” to extend battery life is same manner.
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