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Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

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It's a habit of the internet diaspora to label a person either good or bad; binary, with no wiggle room to model the complexity of psychology. Steve, like any other human, is a shade of grey. He did some awful things and some great ones. That's that. It neither makes him a monster nor a saint. It makes him a... Human.

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Do you think human nature is good or bad?

And do you think if you every other human being and put them in his position at that time, do you think they would behave better or worse? Be honest with your answer.

Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

#93
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>>> From: Steve Jobs To: Steve Jobs Date: Thursday, September 2, 2010 at 11:08PM I grow little of the food I eat, and of the little I do grow I did not breed or perfect the seeds. I do not make any of my own clothing. I speak a language I did not invent or refine. I did not discover the mathematics I use. I am protected by freedoms and laws I did not conceive of or legislate, and do not enforce or adjudicate. I am mo…

Here is Steve Job's video that came much decades before and shared the same thoughts: https://stevejobsarchive.com/international-design-conference...

Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

#94
post #80

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> There's something deeply comical about this existential message ending with > Sent from my iPad He lists the shoulders he had to stand on. The iPad was a creature of his vision. If anything, it's a cheeky sign off.

It's the default sig of the iPad

> It's the default sig of the iPad

I know. I'm pushing back on it minimizing the message.

Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

#95
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>>> From: Steve Jobs To: Steve Jobs Date: Thursday, September 2, 2010 at 11:08PM I grow little of the food I eat, and of the little I do grow I did not breed or perfect the seeds. I do not make any of my own clothing. I speak a language I did not invent or refine. I did not discover the mathematics I use. I am protected by freedoms and laws I did not conceive of or legislate, and do not enforce or adjudicate. I am mo…

Yeah, but you still made the trillion pounds of e-waste from everything you did do, and profitted off of jony's shitty fucking life-cycle understanding of anything plastic...

Fuck Jobs worship.

He DID CREATE a ton of shit that the world doesnt need in the environment and by claiming that appl is some beacon of the most amazing design - nope. If appl was the bastion for thought on product design, I wouldnt have ~20 broken iphones, some of which went through many screens, nor would I have a fuck-ton-pil of shitty designed cables that cost $30 a piece, or a lot more of lame chinese knock-offs that they tried to block the device from recognizing, nor would there be a trillion tons of defunct plastic phone cases all over the world...

Your company is THE REASON SUICIDE NETS EXIST at foxcon

jony is a guy who literally removed any sort of lanyard hook from the phone -- when literally every phone in asia at the time of the iphone launch had one, AND there was an entire market for lanyard styles and accessories - because the lanyard "interfered with his vision" -- which CLEARLY his vision was FUCK TON of broken screens for appl profit.

If you dont know the history.... fuck that.

Should I fucking go on?

They are an environmental psychopath trying to punch you in the face with pollution and telling you to love them and give them money.

(the tech is not the question, its their response to the tech's impact (FFS I had a recalled macbook explode into fire in my bed and they refused to honor the FUCKING RECALL)

Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

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Given the complexities of the Whipple procedure, I'm not sure I would go through with it either, honestly. I'm not a doctor, but I've dealt with a looot of oncologists, and with people at the end of life from cancer. Most cancer docs would choose to go through with far less cancer treatments than their patients typically choose.

Well of course doctors would - they’re not going through it so don’t have all the emotional baggage the patients do.

Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

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If you think Steve Jobs was just some lucky huckster you will never ship a great product.

> If you think Steve Jobs was just some lucky huckster you will never ship a great product Help build, perhaps. But never command, ship or sell. It's one thing to recognize a skill in someone you do not have. It's another to fail to ever see it.

Exactly. You don't have to like him or like his work. But to fail to see his talent is like thinking that Magnus Carlsen was just in the right place at the right time. Your domain knowledge would have to be so abysmally low that you would have no business even making the claim.

Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

#98
post #74

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Hitler, mao and stalin can all go jump as far as I'm concerned. I'm sure they weren't pure evil either but sometimes people deserve the label.

Those are extreme exceptions. Steve Jobs and the others you mentioned are not even in close leagues. That was my point, we try to judge everyone with the same yardstick and divide them in strict binary buckets. By that logic, Steve Jobs would either belong to same category as either Hitler or Gandhi.

Are they exceptions? I'm sure they had normal families and lives prior to their murderous transitions.

My point is be careful how much you choose to let people get away with a "they're just human" pass. Some people deserve the labels. For anyone that worked with Steve I'm willing to bet they think he deserves the arsehole label they give him.

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post #9

>>> From: Steve Jobs To: Steve Jobs Date: Thursday, September 2, 2010 at 11:08PM I grow little of the food I eat, and of the little I do grow I did not breed or perfect the seeds. I do not make any of my own clothing. I speak a language I did not invent or refine. I did not discover the mathematics I use. I am protected by freedoms and laws I did not conceive of or legislate, and do not enforce or adjudicate. I am mo…

Yeah, but you still made the trillion pounds of e-waste from everything you did do, and profitted off of jony's shitty fucking life-cycle understanding of anything plastic... Fuck Jobs worship. He DID CREATE a ton of shit that the world doesnt need in the environment and by claiming that appl is some beacon of the most amazing design - nope. If appl was the bastion for thought on product design, I wouldnt have ~20 br…

Was any of this rant typed on an Apple product? Just because a little drunk and thus quite feisty.
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