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Re: Apple Introduces Apple Watch Ultra

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Try a Garmin. Even the low end ones have way, way more battery life and lots of buttons.

Garmin UI sucks, although I still picked one over Apple Watch due to the price point.

Same, but slightly disagree about the UI, but can understand why it's not for everyone.

I finally upgraded my ageing 935 to a 955 after 3 or more years and I actually find the 955 to be a joyous experience day to day for everything I need to do and way more. The UI/UX actually feels somewhat well polished now.

Sure, some features and functions are buried, but the amount of functionality packed into it, which is quickly and easily accessible when you get the basic UI structure is unsurpassed IMO. Nothing ever feels more than a few button presses or swipes away, which is honestly a huge achievement given just how much they are packing in now.

The new daily reports and training/workout suggestions are almost always bang on in terms of matching I how feel along with their suggestions for easy days / hard days. The battery life and abundance of buttons just leaves Apple for dust IMO. Add in features like PacePro, easy workout building, training programs, race day planning, integration with everything imaginable - Di2 gears, power meters, etc. Apple will probably never handle a triathlon event - jumping seamlessly from Garmin watch -> Garmin cycle computer -> Garmin watch. I don't think Garmin should feel threatened by Apple here.

Nothing about Apple Watch appeals to me for my use case - running, cycling, swimming, hiking, training status, sleep tracking/recommendations, notifications, music/spotify integration. I've had a couple of Apple Watches over the years and they both got handed on to family members within a month or two. I've wanted to like it, but they are a long way off realistically serving my use-case and this new Ultra version doesn't look to come close either.

I've certainly had issues with Garmin - that atrocious week long service outage a year or two back and also some software updates that made me wonder if any internal QA had been done at all, but overall, Garmin have given me rock solid devices that are best in class IMO. My 935 still looked almost brand new after 3 years of hard usage and still gave me nearly week long battery life (with 5-7hrs running a week).

Re: Apple Introduces Apple Watch Ultra

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Still no Apple Watch for ladies... They're all enormous!

I’m a man with 6 1/4” wrists, a 40mm traditional watch looks enormous on my wrist, I can’t even imagine what a 2” wide Apple Watch Ultra would look like.

My every watch is 36mm, I’d definitely buy a sub 40mm Apple Watch.

Re: Apple Introduces Apple Watch Ultra

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18 hours is all day… 36 is long

It really annoys me to have to charge my Apple Watch every day, especially because I want/need it for both sleep tracking and exercise tracking. If I use it for sleeping it invariably runs out of bettery during the night, then in the morning when I want to work out I have to charge it before the gym, it's just frustrating. I would LOVE three days of charge.

Some settings might help.

I have a Series 4. I stick it on the charger in the evening when I've settled down on the couch to do the NYT crossword puzzle, watch TV, and read. I inevitably fall asleep sometime during that. Sometime in the next two hours I'll wake up to go pee, see that the watch is charged, and put it on, go pee, maybe go get a drink of water, and head to bed.

When I'm in bed I have the watch in theater mode and with notifications silenced.

When I'm awake, but not exercising, I generally have it in theater mode with notifications not silenced. I'll toggle it out of theater mode if I'm doing something where I'll want to look at the watch more than sporadically.

When I'm exercising I turn off theater mode. That's typically about 40 minutes every morning.

Most evenings when I stick it on the charger it is above 50%. A fair number of days it is above 66%.

Re: Apple Introduces Apple Watch Ultra

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How can they call 36 hours of battery life "long"? The $799 version Garmin Fenix 7 solar (which they seem to be targeting) has an 18-22 days of battery life.

What is the value of having 18 days of battery on a device like this? To me there are diminishing returns pretty quickly when it comes to battery life. I agree, there is a lot of value if you are able to hit 72-96 hours and you can go away for a weekend without worrying about charging, but 18 days seems like a waste. Are people really regularly away from their chargers for that long? At that point, I would much rathe…

I’d love to not have to charge my watch on a 10 day backpacking trip. I’m old enough that most of my formative camping trips were before cell phones, and taking a charger and battery on a hike seems crazy to me. :)

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Garmin will likely keep me because running gps for 10+ hours at a shot is important. A full smart watch is far less of a priority. If you don't want to dive headlong into Apple's stuff, then a Garmin might very well be all the smart watch you need. It's been quite a few years since I used a Garmin as a full-time smart watch, but you can have notifications and messages (read-only if using an Apple phone) and even cont…

For me, the Apple Watch is an Apple product that doesn’t unduly benefit from being all in on the Apple ecosystem but that may be just how I use it (or don’t).

Switching AirPods over from phone to watch and back is pretty nice. That’s the only example I can think of offhand though.

Re: Apple Introduces Apple Watch Ultra

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They used the word "extreme" 15 times, sigh. I didn't realize wakeboarding was an "extreme" water sport. TIL.

Sigh, Yes, wakeboarding is an extreme sport. Just because you personally might feel that it’s “not extreme enough” doesn’t change that fact. The category of extreme sports is about risks of serious injury or death, not about how “Rad” people perceive them to be. > Contusions, abrasions, strains, sprains, low back pain and rib fractures are common injuries experienced in wakeboarding.

Not sure that list of example injuries supports the “risks of serious injury or death” claim, but ymmv. If “contusions and abrasions” needs to be spelled out, it seems like someone’s padding the list. :)

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> 18-22 days of battery life. Only in "smartwatch" mode - ie. pretty much everything is turned off. In GPS mode, you get 73 hours (which is more than the 60 you get on the Watch Ultra in conservation mode, yes, but vastly lower than "18-22 days"!)

The Apple Watch battery life quote seems misleading due to this: "1. During normal use, Apple Watch Ultra can reach up to 36 hours of battery life with iPhone present." Normal use WITH an iPhone present. I have a feeling the Apple Watch by itself in GPS mode will be much less.

The watch can have more or less battery life without a phone nearby; if you don't have a watch cellular plan it'd probably have somewhat more, since more features are turned off. Of course, if you want to force it you can use airplane mode.

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People are getting hung up on battery life. You have to realize Apple is creating the equivalent of the luxury Mercedes G-Wagon for off-roading, when in reality a Jeep Rubicon (Garmin) addresses all of your real needs at 1/3 the price.

The problem with Garmin is that they obsessively fragment/segment/differentiate their market/products. It's infuriating that such an expensive watch will be unable to do some basic feature because they want to sell a "golf" version of the watch or a "sailing" version and so on. They'll also release some feature that clearly is possible to implement on even current products elsewhere in the lineup - and isn't even rea…

Famously, Steve Jobs rescued Apple from oblivion largely by stopping their market segmentation and forcing the company to have "one great product in each major category". As in one phone, one PC, one music player, etc...

Meanwhile Apple's competition is flailing around releasing literally hundreds of minor model variations each, which all require design, parts sourcing, warehousing, warranty support[1], standards licensing, FCC approvals, etc...

Remember Nokia? They had something like over 100 phone models when Apple release the iPhone!

More models isn't more choice. It's more confusion, more fragmentation, more overhead, and more upset customers that can't get the combination of features they want.

[1] This one in particular is a killer, especially in some markets like California and Australia. Needing to keep spares on hand for legally-mandated warranty drags down the profitability or jacks up the price for a lot of companies that don't "get" the Apple Way of having fewer SKUs.

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Apple Watch is significantly more accurate than a Garmin or other handheld 'portable' GPS unit. Significantly so, especially when paired with a phone (which users already own).

> Apple Watch is significantly more accurate than a Garmin or other handheld 'portable' GPS unit. Any source on that - because I really doubt it.

It should be, it has wifi/cellular/map assistance and is paired with a phone with L5 GPS.
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