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Re: Apple Announces iPhone 14 and iPhone 14 Plus

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Post by gregsadetsky »

LegitShady wrote: post #176
gregsadetsky wrote: post #171

EDIT: Thanks for the replies, I see now that they're talking about pixel binning. But doesn't the iPhone 13 sensor also have sensor "sub-pixels" that it's grouping into effective pixels to get a 12 MP camera? i.e. does the iPhone 14 do something different with the data coming from the sensor, or is the sensor different (for example, it allows some sub-pixel control that the iPhone 13 sensor does not)? Apple says the…

google "pixel binning". It improves signal:noise ratio.

Thanks, that makes sense. I did remember that sensors have "sub-pixels" that are grouped, and that you can access the sub-pixel to get "4 times" more pixels.

But... what's the difference between the iPhone 14 and 13 then? The iPhone 13 presumably also has a Bayer sub-pixel arrangement on its sensor?

What difference/innovation is happening with the iPhone 14 sensor? That the sub-pixel data can be processed, where in the case of the iPhone 13 it was inaccessible? Thanks!

Re: Apple Announces iPhone 14 and iPhone 14 Plus

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Post by tamrix »

mrtksn wrote: post #93
shard wrote: post #70

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FYI car crash detection had been available since Pixel 5.

It's funny, when I try to search for Pixel 5 crash detection Google tries to autocomplete it to Pixel 5 crash loop. The thing about Apple is, and has been since its inception, that makes devices that actually work in a way people can benefit from it instead of ticking items on checklists. Mind you, Apple makes bluetooth earphones that reached business since larger than some of the most sexy and famous businesses out…

Tone down the fanboyism.

I'm sure people have found androids useful in a way they actually benefit from it.

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Post by smileybarry »

rcarr wrote: post #160
smileybarry wrote: post #138

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I still haven’t looked into it much but IIRC iPhone 12 & iPhone 13 could already save multiple eSIMs, while 13 could activate 2 at the same time. I think it was up to 8 (or 10) saved eSIMs?

If this is true it may sway me to getting an iPhone 13, I want to do some travelling in the future so being able to have multiple e-sims saved would be beneficial. I thought that it seemed a bit odd that you could only have two of something that was completely digital but makes much more sense if it's only two active SIMs at once.

Yeah, after I wrote that comment I went looking for actual info on eSIM differences on iPhone 14, but there isn’t really any. Support articles aren’t up yet and the asterisk/note is just a basic eSIM disclaimer.

I think that bit along with SIM slot removal is just a push towards eSIM.

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Post by travisjungroth »

baron816 wrote: post #128
spuz wrote: post #89

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I really hope they still allow you to use it even if you haven't paid the subscription. It's a tool for emergencies so by definition you need it only when you don't expect to need it. It would be a shame to lock people out from something that could have saved their life just because they haven't paid the $x.99 per year service. In theory they could always back-charge users who are not subscribed but even then that co…

Yes. Charge $20 per use instead of a subscription. $50 or whatever they want. Just don’t make people sign up for a subscription.

I think the amount you'd have to charge to not have a massive decrease in revenue would make Apple look like monsters. Human brains really aren't good at valuing rare events.

Here's a possible scenario. I'm sure it's wildly off from reality, but maybe reality has the same properties. Each month, 1 in 10,000 users call in [1]. For the same revenue you can charge:

$1 per user per month

$10,000 per use

One of those, people will hate you for. Charging $100 per use would slash your revenue by 99%. May as well make it free. I actually think that would be the way to go and maybe they'll do it some day.

[1] If that seems wildly low, remember it's per month and getting lost in the wilderness is pretty rare for the average person.

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Post by kemayo »

fomine3 wrote: post #43

There's less advertisement about CPU core performance on A16 so I expect there's little (less than A14 to A15) improvement for that. It's completely fine for iPhone but not good sign for future M3 for Mac/iPad.

There was similar speculation last year when the A15 came out[1], because Apple didn't talk about performance (at all, I think?) in the iPhone 13 announcement. Then the A15 kept up their regular rate of improvement. So it's plausible the same will happen this year.

Wouldn't surprise me if Apple currently feels that they're so widely perceived as being the performance winners that they don't need to hammer down on it. They had that one slide comparing their competition to the A13, after all.

[1]: https://9to5mac.com/2021/10/05/a15-performance-gains/

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Post by Eric_WVGG »

quixoticelixer- wrote: post #175
Eric_WVGG wrote: post #114

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It's really weird how folks talk about e-waste and environmental factors, as if a switch to USB-C wouldn't mean three trillion Lightning cables getting yeeted into the ocean… like, I personally am quite over Lightning, but come on, folks also deeply weird and annoying that the Magic Keyboard and Magic Mouse use lightning for charging, that was a dumb call out of the gate

It's not like lightning cables have an infinite lifespan though. And they won't actually be sent into the ocean

double-check the little paper pamphlet that came with your iPhone, it literally says "please drive to the closest ocean — Pacific if you're in Kansas — and throw your lightning cable into the water when it reaches the end of its finite lifespan" in fine print.

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Post by gambiting »

belligeront wrote: post #40

People who travel frequently, does the lack of physical SIM card concern you? I'm not sure how widespread eSIMs across countries.

Yep. That's absolute 100% nonsense. Whenever I travel to Canada for work I just order a t-mobile(or other) sim online before flying out, pop it in on arrival = decent internet in Canada. What am I supposed to do with an eSim? Literally no one will sell you an eSim contract for just few days.

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Post by pcdoodle »

belligeront wrote: post #40

People who travel frequently, does the lack of physical SIM card concern you? I'm not sure how widespread eSIMs across countries.

Not even traveling, how about your phone dies as they often do? In that scenario I grab whatever old phone is around, pop in my SIM and I get through the day without calling or visiting some retail store. I want less interaction and SIM cards let me have that.

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Post by zamadatix »

gregsadetsky wrote: post #181
LegitShady wrote: post #176

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google "pixel binning". It improves signal:noise ratio.

Thanks, that makes sense. I did remember that sensors have "sub-pixels" that are grouped, and that you can access the sub-pixel to get "4 times" more pixels. But... what's the difference between the iPhone 14 and 13 then? The iPhone 13 presumably also has a Bayer sub-pixel arrangement on its sensor? What difference/innovation is happening with the iPhone 14 sensor? That the sub-pixel data can be processed, where in t…

Pixel binning isn't about having 4 subpixels per pixel it's about multiplying the number of supixels per pixel by 4. On a typical Bayer arrangement with 4:1 binning that means 4 red, 4 blue, and 8 green subpixels per pixel (total of 16) instead of 4 pixels each with 1 red, 1 blue, and 2 green subpixels.

I've never really seen a good explanation for why this is anything special vs just making the image smaller post capture in a non-naive way (like when they are already running it through the AI offload engine) considering all the hype it gets.

Re: Apple Announces iPhone 14 and iPhone 14 Plus

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Post by LegitShady »

gregsadetsky wrote: post #181
LegitShady wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

google "pixel binning". It improves signal:noise ratio.

Thanks, that makes sense. I did remember that sensors have "sub-pixels" that are grouped, and that you can access the sub-pixel to get "4 times" more pixels. But... what's the difference between the iPhone 14 and 13 then? The iPhone 13 presumably also has a Bayer sub-pixel arrangement on its sensor? What difference/innovation is happening with the iPhone 14 sensor? That the sub-pixel data can be processed, where in t…

> Thanks, that makes sense. I did remember that sensors have "sub-pixels" that are grouped, and that you can access the sub-pixel to get "4 times" more pixels.

It's sort of backwards. You can get access to sub pixels to get '4 times' more data, but pixel binning is actually the other direction -> grouping pixels together.

A lot of camera performance is related to photosite size - larger photosites for light to hit, better performance/more sensitivity. The problem is that if you have a camera sensor in a DSLR, you have room for big pixels, but when you have the small sensors in phones you don't have the room for large pixels and giant MP count for marketing.

So pixel binning treats groups of pixels like one large pixel to try and improve sensor performance while still maintaining large megapixel counts for marketing.

In terms of innovation we haven't heard anything. There are already smartphones with pixel binning on the market. This is apple just saying Us Too unless they've released information on a new unique binning technique I haven't seen.

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