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More than 90% of the bots are Pro-Ukrainian, with fewer than 7% pro-Russian

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Re: More than 90% of the bots are Pro-Ukrainian, with fewer than 7% pro-Russian

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This is really a surprise to anyone? Russia may have more resources than Ukraine, but pretty much the entire world is on the latter's side. Especially social and major media.

Bots are one of the reason that NO social media should ever be used to get "public opinions" on anything! Not just via likes/votes either!

Re: More than 90% of the bots are Pro-Ukrainian, with fewer than 7% pro-Russian

#42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's absolutely possible that the bots drummed up public opinion. But regardless of what public opinion is or why it is what it is, it's also clear who the aggressor is.

>it's also clear who the aggressor is. let me guess. NATO?

You learn a bit about history in the region you'll know that Russia has been being the aggressor for about 300 years, but has always felt the victim. Stalin in the 1920s even had the phrase "capitalism encirclement", not unlike Putin's "NATO encroachment". This is despite the fact that it was Stalin's strategy to chase trade agreements with the UK, Germany and France, while at the same time supporting the respective countries communist parties attempts at revolution. As you see, the pattern of behavior has changed since then.

So no, NATO isn't the aggressor.

Re: More than 90% of the bots are Pro-Ukrainian, with fewer than 7% pro-Russian

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://about.fb.com/news/2017/10/hard-questions-russian-ads...

Running an ad campaign is considered being a pro at manipulating social media? What did the campaign actually achieve?

If their goal was to sow fear and uncertainty, they achieved it. If it was to get people to vote for Trump, they absolutely achieved that as well, although it's unclear if he would have won without it.

Re: More than 90% of the bots are Pro-Ukrainian, with fewer than 7% pro-Russian

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>it's also clear who the aggressor is. let me guess. NATO?

Only inciter. After running middle East they are too scared to aggress themselves. Fun fact, 75% of the world's population still trades with Russia .

Russia ( and USSR) signed all founding documents of NATO.

NATO is not the inciter, that's a Russian whataboutism to grab territory where gas was found ( Crimea)

Re: More than 90% of the bots are Pro-Ukrainian, with fewer than 7% pro-Russian

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Why is this surprising or newsworthy? Putin is the villain.. straight up. Edit: thx for the drive-by downvote feedback, would appreciate if you'd engage directly if I'm missing something

Here we go again. Finding the villain of the year. This year it is Putin, Trump last year, etc pushed by the media and its propaganda. Anything that goes against it like this paper is upsetting those who believe what the media says and does and doesn't question their views or stories either. It can spread from bots on either side and with that you need to question both views on who is spreading their propaganda to di…

Obviously the villain in this case is the one that surrounded a country with military force and tried to invade it and burning it to the ground in some areas.

Don't forget about all those displaced families too.

Re: More than 90% of the bots are Pro-Ukrainian, with fewer than 7% pro-Russian

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read the abstract but not the paper. If it's accurate, it is an incredibly surprising result. We already know the Russians are pros at manipulating social media for the purposes of HUMINT, propaganda, etc. If they only represent 7% of bots, that means that: 1. Another actor, possibly a nation-state, is putting even more resources than Russia is into shaping the narrative, 2. Russia isn't actually trying very hard m…

Or 3. Western media got a lot better at filtering out Russian disinformation and propaganda, once the put their minds to it. I'm not sure I entirely believe that. The Russians aren't amateurs.

Actually I do think that's possibly what is happening here.

As you say the Russians aren't amateurs, but at the same time they've massively overstepped their mark this time and have galvanised action against them that possibly didn't particularly have the will before, since they poured a lot of money into platforms that would promote Russia's propaganda (hard and soft).

It seems that currently no amount of money can whitewash what they're doing. Of course that might change again in the future.

Re: More than 90% of the bots are Pro-Ukrainian, with fewer than 7% pro-Russian

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Why is this surprising or newsworthy? Putin is the villain.. straight up. Edit: thx for the drive-by downvote feedback, would appreciate if you'd engage directly if I'm missing something

I read the abstract but not the paper. If it's accurate, it is an incredibly surprising result. We already know the Russians are pros at manipulating social media for the purposes of HUMINT, propaganda, etc. If they only represent 7% of bots, that means that: 1. Another actor, possibly a nation-state, is putting even more resources than Russia is into shaping the narrative, 2. Russia isn't actually trying very hard m…

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Re: More than 90% of the bots are Pro-Ukrainian, with fewer than 7% pro-Russian

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Am I reading it wrong, or does the article say that 90% of _accounts_ are pro-Ukrainian, 7% pro-Russian? Section 3.0 describes how they got the dataset (all tweets in a timeframe with a "#IStandWith[Ukraine|Russia|Zelynskyy|Putin]" hashtag). Section 3.1 describes how they assign national 'lean' to the accounts in their entire dataset; that's the section that has the 90%/7% numbers. Section 3.2 describes how they quan…

There was some criticism of Botometer in previous bot discussions:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32361296

Re: More than 90% of the bots are Pro-Ukrainian, with fewer than 7% pro-Russian

#50

This is really a surprise to anyone? Russia may have more resources than Ukraine, but pretty much the entire world is on the latter's side. Especially social and major media. Bots are one of the reason that NO social media should ever be used to get "public opinions" on anything! Not just via likes/votes either!

There's a fascinating contrast in strategies:

Ukraine went fast and aggressive with the Ghost of Kiev and Snake Island propaganda. Russia: silence.

And you see it still today. Just this week, Ukraine claimed a pensioner shot down a Russian plane with a rifle. Meanwhile Russia just releases very dry Ministry of Defence updates.

I'm not sure if it's a strategy or a focus on domestic approval over foreign, but it sure is interesting to watch.

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