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Re: Kiwi Farms has been removed from the Internet Archive

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Post by flying-sheep »

ThrowawayTestr wrote: post #57
cauthon wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Popular endorsement of harassment to the point of suicide seems like a worse sign, personally. When it comes to threats to freedom of expression, I'm much more concerned about the religious right's abuse of government authority to censor education, ban books, and suppress the vote, than I am about private institutions taking steps to protect human life.

A website was bullied off the internet because it showcased the horrible activities of horrible people. I'm far more concerned that a handful of Twitter users can memoryhole an entire community.

You say that as if the people running KF didn’t know what the site was for. And a publicly known reason for that website’s existence is because bullies need a place to coordinate harassment.

Having the power to shut that place and therefore behavior down but choosing not to means they were complicit. Deplatforming works, the influx of new bullies shrinks when you make their place less public.

Re: Kiwi Farms has been removed from the Internet Archive

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Post by badRNG »

jimmydorry wrote: post #74
peanut_worm wrote: post #71

I guess the internet archive doesn’t take their mission of preserving the internet very seriously

What KF? Never heard of it. I guess the old addage has never been truer: "History is Written by Victors"

They have a reputation for targeting people to intensely harass into suicide, with Byuu being a notable victim in the HN/CS sphere.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27657610

Re: Kiwi Farms has been removed from the Internet Archive

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Post by badRNG »

hnburnsy wrote: post #49

Well I guess there is now limited ways for someone to evaluate for themselves on whether KF was posting horrific content without significant moderation. Guess we at least have Taylor Lorenz to tell us exactly what is going on here in a full and unbiased way. Someone here at HN at least posted this link which told more of the story than I have seen anywhere else. Also search the HN archives (for now at least it seems)…

It feels deeply disingenuous to claim that all KF is doing is "cataloging someone's online life" while refusing to talk about constant SWAT-ing, the cheering of their victims committing suicide, and the constant IRL harassment they organize against their victims.

After Byuu, the emulator dev of bsnes, higan and more was harassed into suicide [1], harassment almost exclusively organized on KF, I've lost patience for weak defenses of a site that causes threats to folk's lives.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27652814

Re: Kiwi Farms has been removed from the Internet Archive

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Post by colejohnson66 »

kome wrote: post #34
krapp wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They also honor DCMA requests and robots.txt. That's the way an archive works in the real world.

revoking the public access to dome material is kosher, but removing the material itself is not.

Which is probably what happened. IA doesn't remove content. They only hide it.

Re: Kiwi Farms has been removed from the Internet Archive

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Post by firstSpeaker »

Whenever I read stories of big tech making decision to destroy some digital asset by taking decisions like this or banning people from their accounts (read gmail, google drive, etc.) It makes me shiver. They can put a brick wall in front of anyone's life/business.

Re: Kiwi Farms has been removed from the Internet Archive

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Post by manuelabeledo »

firstSpeaker wrote: post #87

Whenever I read stories of big tech making decision to destroy some digital asset by taking decisions like this or banning people from their accounts (read gmail, google drive, etc.) It makes me shiver. They can put a brick wall in front of anyone's life/business.

I'm okay with removing someone from the internet if their business is to harass and dox people.

Re: Kiwi Farms has been removed from the Internet Archive

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Post by baud147258 »

badRNG wrote: post #83
jimmydorry wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What KF? Never heard of it. I guess the old addage has never been truer: "History is Written by Victors"

They have a reputation for targeting people to intensely harass into suicide, with Byuu being a notable victim in the HN/CS sphere. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27657610

was that reputation substantial though?
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