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Bitwarden raises $100M

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Re: Bitwarden raises $100M

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Post by jlund-molfese »

hbn wrote: post #324

Not related to the fundraising, but a more general question I've had about password managers for a while: Why does anyone pay a subscription for their password manager when all you need is a client that talks to any old free cloud storage service (Dropbox, iCloud, Google Drive, etc)? I feel like I might be grandfathered in and they switched to a new model now, but I got Enpass years ago and haven't paid since. I sync…

Sync conflicts are pretty common with KeePassXC on Dropbox (iCloud, Google Drive are not viable options on Linux).

I also didn't want to run the Dropbox client just to sync passwords. Paying Bitwarden $10/year made sense to me.

Re: Bitwarden raises $100M

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Post by mdaniel »

arjvik wrote: post #490
PascLeRasc wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's because we're all still in the middle of getting burned by 1Password spending millions to make our app run worse and do less.

Wait, I'm just about to switch my entire family from LastPass to 1Password because of the latest LastPass hack. Should I be wary?

If you're new to 1Password, you may enjoy their service because you won't have the memory/experience of the things that were taken away or "how it used to be."

Now, as for whether one should worry because the company screwed their existing customers once already ... that's personal risk tolerance, I guess

My opinion is that 1Password is the best product out there for the majority of users, because they're pretty good about documenting their formats, have a very good export story, their customer service is mostly good, it's a reasonable price, and their UX absolutely spanks Bitwarden up one side and down the other

But, if a few years from now they rip the ssh-agent out of their Electron apps citing some "well, we decided" reason, or they ban 3rd party clients from using their API because "of sekurity," then no one should be surprised that the scorpion stung them

Re: Bitwarden raises $100M

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Post by mdaniel »

jlund-molfese wrote: post #491
hbn wrote: post #324

Not related to the fundraising, but a more general question I've had about password managers for a while: Why does anyone pay a subscription for their password manager when all you need is a client that talks to any old free cloud storage service (Dropbox, iCloud, Google Drive, etc)? I feel like I might be grandfathered in and they switched to a new model now, but I got Enpass years ago and haven't paid since. I sync…

Sync conflicts are pretty common with KeePassXC on Dropbox (iCloud, Google Drive are not viable options on Linux). I also didn't want to run the Dropbox client just to sync passwords. Paying Bitwarden $10/year made sense to me.

In my experience, sync conflicts are pretty common on SyncThing, too, which is often how I hear this paired ("use KeePassXC on Syncthing for the win" type deal)

I think it's an impedance mismatch trying to take a single-user database format and trying to use it from multiple devices

Re: Bitwarden raises $100M

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Post by mdaniel »

dwbit wrote: post #44
endigma wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Citation (code snippet(s)?) please.

Bitwarden only uses Visual Studio for crash reporting, but you can skip this altogether by grabbing the F-Droid build or self-hosting. More info here: https://bitwarden.com/help/security-faqs/#q-what-third-party... F-Droid: https://mobileapp.bitwarden.com/fdroid/ Self-hosting: https://bitwarden.com/help/install-on-premise-linux/

One should exercise caution about their on-premises installer, as they play fast and loose with version pinning. It's like many things in life: it works fine until it doesn't, and then debugging it will be some "oh no"

Re: Bitwarden raises $100M

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Post by arjvik »

roustem wrote: post #297
selectodude wrote: post #278

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>1Password’s desktop app is much worse than it use to be all while each platforms built in capabilities are getting better. I keep reading this but as a user of 1Password over the past decade or so, the functionality hasn't changed much. I'm confused as to what they're spending all the VC money on because these re-writes haven't done much but in terms of functionality, I think it's best in class. What am I missing?

Thank you for using 1Password! A full rewrite takes a lot of time. We did this twice in the past and it is always painful. We had to do it again this time because the discrepancies between the platforms became ridiculous and we had to fix this. For example, the same search would produce different results on Mac and Windows and Android. We also took time to address some of the pain points that existed in 1Password 7.…

I really want to purchase 1Password Family right away, but one thing is holding me back.

Why does 1Password not support Duo Push 2FA for personal accounts? I shouldn't need to pay for a business account to get that.

Re: Bitwarden raises $100M

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Post by lern_too_spel »

ayewo wrote: post #355
lern_too_spel wrote: post #296

Lots of people worried about Bitwarden. Where are the people worried about PSG? As passkeys gain adoption, fewer people will need a password manager, and PSG is going to have a hard time getting their money back.

Why should anyone be worried about PSG? Deals of this magnitude take months to close, especially considering the amount of money involved, so there's no point worrying about an entity whose raison d'etre is to earn a return from the management of other people's money.

Because they look like the biggest loser in this deal. Everybody else comes out ahead. In the short term, while password managers are useful, users get a better product, and Bitwarden's employees get paid. In the long term, users don't need this product, Bitwarden's employees find other jobs, and the investors have lost their money.

Re: Bitwarden raises $100M

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Post by serial_dev »

Gasp0de wrote: post #401
serial_dev wrote: post #348

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The points I was trying to make is that... 1. sure, it's great that it is open source and that I could self host, but honestly, it's just not worth the trouble for me and I'd rather pay 10-20 euros for someone to take care of that for me. Self hosting my password manager would take a significant time investment and constant worry whether I'm doing it right. It might be because I'm primarily an app developer now and n…

I'm already self hosting it, took 3 minutes to set up a self updating docker container.

Then I must have overestimated the effort needed for an experienced dev to set things up. I assume I would need a day to figure out how to best self host. Thanks for the info, I'll give it a try this weekend.

Re: Bitwarden raises $100M

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Post by JohnJamesRambo »

NegativeLatency wrote: post #463
JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The road to terrible software is paved with companies trying to expand to “adjacent markets”.

Not limited to software even, plenty of examples of companies chasing larger valuations by taking on stuff outside their core competency

Can I interest you in a Metaverse?
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