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Re: Kiwi Farms has been removed from the Internet Archive

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Post by thunderfork »

adamrezich wrote: post #50
superchroma wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, words can't hurt you, but coordinated harassment campaigns can, and, for the mentally feeble, like CWC, words can coax you, over enough time, to act in your worst interests.

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Do you think the parents whose child was on the cover of Nat Geo count as a "public internet persona"? Do you think it's right that people should be forced to go into hiding and avoid something as basic as a magazine interview for fear of becoming a target on these sites?

What you're advocating is complete self-censorship for people with views these websites consider targets.

Re: Kiwi Farms has been removed from the Internet Archive

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Post by mmastrac »

danso wrote: post #12

Tangential question: When the Wayback machine retroactively excludes a site's content – e.g. a site owner adds a robots.txt that specifies exclusion — the data isn't deleted, right? Just flagged to prevent being found in search again. In other words, if exclusion of KF turns out to be an unnecessary or unwanted (or if researchers want to study the KF data in the future), it's just flipping the flag, right? Here's an…

It's probably there, inaccessible, waiting for future researchers in a more civilized age.

Re: Kiwi Farms has been removed from the Internet Archive

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Post by mmastrac »

smoldesu wrote: post #44
chomp wrote: post #39

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The same Epik that turned down 8chan? https://www.epik.com/blog/epik-draws-line-on-acceptable-use.... At the end of the day, businesses gotta eat. They're not a charity or a benevolent public force. If your user generated content impacts their bottom line, you're gonna get kicked to the curb. >The endgame for all of these so-called 'abusive platforms' is retreating to I2P/Tor, or another internet-adjacent network I'm…

> The same Epik that turned down 8chan? Epik hosted 8chan in the interim after Cloudflare dropped them. This cause Epik's hosting provider to drop them, and since Epik doesn't own their datacenters they had to abide by their hardware provider's decision: https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/5/20754943/8chan-epik-offlin... I'll still eat some crow, though; I forgot the entire business was owned by Rob Monster (a veritable…

How did it achieve nothing? Deplatforming has shown to be effective. The Nazi site that CF shut down is very difficult to access.

Re: Kiwi Farms has been removed from the Internet Archive

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Post by bobsmooth »

totony wrote: post #46
chomp wrote: post #5

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Web forum spun up to harass an intellectually disabled man into ruin (for those following along at home, objective: achieved), and then proceeded to attempt to ruin the lives of other people as well.

So, twitter? /s What's the rationale in accepting Twitter stay online but not this website? Plenty of harassment goes on there as well.

It archived the unsavory tweets of online individuals.

Re: Kiwi Farms has been removed from the Internet Archive

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Post by ThrowawayTestr »

cauthon wrote: post #15
kadenwolff wrote: post #8

This is ridiculous and has been a cascade of awful precedents for the Internet. This is legitimately an extremely bad sign of what's to come for the Internet's future.

Popular endorsement of harassment to the point of suicide seems like a worse sign, personally. When it comes to threats to freedom of expression, I'm much more concerned about the religious right's abuse of government authority to censor education, ban books, and suppress the vote, than I am about private institutions taking steps to protect human life.

A website was bullied off the internet because it showcased the horrible activities of horrible people. I'm far more concerned that a handful of Twitter users can memoryhole an entire community.

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Post by superchroma »

thunderfork wrote: post #51
adamrezich wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Do you think the parents whose child was on the cover of Nat Geo count as a "public internet persona"? Do you think it's right that people should be forced to go into hiding and avoid something as basic as a magazine interview for fear of becoming a target on these sites? What you're advocating is complete self-censorship for people with views these websites consider targets.

Right. Also, we're glossing over the fact that it's not just bullying, but swatting, threatening phone calls, contacting employers to seek termination, email spam, sending unpaid-for pizzas, etc. It's not just words.

Re: Kiwi Farms has been removed from the Internet Archive

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Post by mazdayasna »

hnburnsy wrote: post #49

Well I guess there is now limited ways for someone to evaluate for themselves on whether KF was posting horrific content without significant moderation. Guess we at least have Taylor Lorenz to tell us exactly what is going on here in a full and unbiased way. Someone here at HN at least posted this link which told more of the story than I have seen anywhere else. Also search the HN archives (for now at least it seems)…

Thanks for spreading this some more. Funny enough, I got that link from reading an archived version of Keffals' thread on KF while trying to get a bead on the situation myself. At best, KF threads are a simple public record of a person's online presence, (that they themselves posted publicly initially) content which I believe should absolutely be online. At worst, the popularity of threads about trans/autistic people on KF amounts to an incentive to provoke the "lolcow" into providing more "milk", which I would say is definitely a form of harassment.

Perhaps this will lead to a successor site with a similar "mission" that consists only of what would be a thread OP on KF, without the thousands of pages that follow wherein people say the n-word as many times as they can.

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