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Re: Bitwarden raises $100M

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Post by scarface74 »

mrweasel wrote: post #94
scarface74 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you trust the word of a company that doesn’t have a profitable business model? Just wait for the inevitable “Our Amazing Journey” post on their website.

The way I read it is that they already have one minority investor, Battery Ventures and they are now adding another, PSG. PSG will get a seat on the board of directors, it's unclear if Battery Ventures have a seat. It is also unclear if the two minority investors combined holds a majority. I hope things goes well for Bitwarden, but I'm also expecting an amazing journey in their future. I really doubt that there's eno…

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When I ask “how can you trust the company”, I don’t mean to imply that the founders have less than good intentions. But once you take VC money, the founders intentions don’t mean much.

I’m sure the founders of both Instagram and WhatsApp - just two companies that come to mind where the founders were idealistic and they were hit hard with the reality stick once they got acquired - really believed that their company wouldn’t change for the worse once they were acquired.

Re: Bitwarden raises $100M

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Post by valarauko »

sizzle wrote: post #413

serious question, is there any benefit to a password manager if you are using the Apple ecosystem via your Keychain across devices for password management with pin and faceID?

As a current 1Password (10+ years in Lastpass, 3 years in Bitwarden) user in the Apple Ecosystem, here the value adds for me:

- Ecosystem agnostic, from before I was all in on Apple

- Ties into other services I use seamlessly

   * Fastmail masked emails for signups

   * Privacy.com one time use cards/vendor locked cards for signups
Other add on I'm more dubious about:

- 1Password supposedly alters password suggestions based on the domain, adjusting password length requirements, special symbols, etc

Re: Bitwarden raises $100M

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Post by [deleted] »

behnamoh wrote: post #409
crazygringo wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't give second chances to services that are trust based. You might run out of services then at some point. Human beings are fallible, full stop. Also, a company isn't an individual -- management teams change, corporate priorities change, security practices improve. Judging a whole company by what a few employees did or didn't do a decade ago isn't always going to yield an optimal approach. Refusing to give any…

Here we go again: Some company (in this case, Bitwarden) "betrayed" its customers by doing what every other firm does. And Hn goes brrr over it. I wonder, aren't the majority of HNers working at a for-profit company funded by VCs? The hypocrisy is just intolerable at this point.

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Re: Bitwarden raises $100M

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Post by rrauenza »

How is the user experience of bitwarden vs lastpass?

I find lastpass clunky.. ipad app is flakey (or is it the iOS integration layer itself?)

Integrating with chrome, iOS, etc, I assume is a difficult problem so I've assumed most password managers have the same issues. But it drives me crazy they haven't innovated much either, e.g., searching for specific passwords in my vault. I have to export it to excel and then look for them, then make sure / hope that the excel file didn't drop any temporary file copies anywhere.

Re: Bitwarden raises $100M

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Post by Trung0246 »

buro9 wrote: post #425

The code for the server is AGPLv3 https://github.com/bitwarden/server , with only things in the /bitwarden_license/ directory being proprietary. The code for the mobile apps is GPLv3 https://github.com/bitwarden/mobile/blob/master/LICENSE.txt The code for the clients is GPLv3 https://github.com/bitwarden/clients These are all copyleft... with a CLA (contributor license agreement). It's the CLA that allows them the ab…

What's in the bitwarden_license folder btw?

Re: Bitwarden raises $100M

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Post by PascLeRasc »

roustem wrote: post #397
scarface74 wrote: post #349

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s more of a preference for a “real native Mac app” instead of an Electron app. Long time Mac users can feel the difference.

I see it from a different perspective. There are not that many real native Mac apps that both look and feel great. You could probably count them all on your hands. Also, I certainly understand being the long time Mac expect. However, when we tested 1Password with new customers we found a ton of usability issues and many of these problems are solved in 1Password 8. One example, most new users couldn't even figure out…

Please stop telling users their preferences are incorrect.

Re: Bitwarden raises $100M

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Post by MichaelVangard »

rrauenza wrote: post #445

How is the user experience of bitwarden vs lastpass? I find lastpass clunky.. ipad app is flakey (or is it the iOS integration layer itself?) Integrating with chrome, iOS, etc, I assume is a difficult problem so I've assumed most password managers have the same issues. But it drives me crazy they haven't innovated much either, e.g., searching for specific passwords in my vault. I have to export it to excel and then l…

I just logged in via Bitwarden on Safari to reply here. My vault is self-hosted via the Vaultwarden project, which is a lighter-weight implementation written in Rust. It is hosted on the free tier of GCP, which is proving more than enough for personal use. The self-hosted server interoperates flawlessly with the official Bitwarden clients. I have no complaints regarding the user experience on MacOS/iOS/iPadOS. However, I was not a fan of the user experience on Android. I recently setup Bitwarden for a couple family members who use Android and it definitely didn't feel as frictionless as it does on my Apple devices. Not sure if that's because of how Android implements password managers or how the Bitwarden app for Android is implemented.

Re: Bitwarden raises $100M

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Post by tanseydavid »

mgkimsal wrote: post #338
crazygringo wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't give second chances to services that are trust based. You might run out of services then at some point. Human beings are fallible, full stop. Also, a company isn't an individual -- management teams change, corporate priorities change, security practices improve. Judging a whole company by what a few employees did or didn't do a decade ago isn't always going to yield an optimal approach. Refusing to give any…

2001-2007, I had multiple bad experiences with Compaq, Lexmark and HP. These were so bad in terms of cost and frustration I vowed I would never buy their products or services again. It's been... 15+ years. The tech world of today is not quite the tech world of 2003. Should I ever bother with a Compaq or HP again? I probably won't, but the 'avoid at all costs' just isn't there with me any more. Perhaps I've mellowed s…

I am still firmly in never-again-Hewlett-Packard camp after almost 20 years.

The final straw for me was purchasing an HP laser printer (probably the 6th or 7th one I ever bought) and it shockingly had the same extreme-low-quality level that I had experienced with HP laptops, CD ROM drives and other peripherals.

It is probably not fair but I blame Carly Fiorina for this degradation of once reliable hardware manufacturer.

Re: Bitwarden raises $100M

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Post by cma »

mrorbitman wrote: post #259
ndand wrote: post #248

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Not for the rest of their lives. 50 people can live on $100k/year for 20 years.

if you assume typical stock market returns, ~$2M is enough to retire on and live on $100k a year of interest gained alone.

Assuming you are using recent interest rates. If you mix in recent inflation rates too it doesn't work out in inflation-adjusted dollars like that, though hopefully a lot of that is transitory from covid (or maybe we have something worse than covid in the future).
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