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Keith Davis was protecting the oceans, then he disappeared

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Re: Keith Davis was protecting the oceans, then he disappeared

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Post by lupire »

markstos wrote: post #91
spookierookie wrote: post #65

So, everybody knows that almost certainly the crew killed him, and the crew and their company and their vessel just walks? And that keeps happening... I'd propose in any subsequent event of a missing observer captain does time, ship seized, company closed and that's done even before police starting asking questions. I bet there wouldn't be any missing observer after that.

You could stop eating tuna today. For good measure, other fish too. Consumers are part of this story and have choices to make.

There is no amount of fish that I can not eat that will stop other people from paying people to catch fish.

Re: Keith Davis was protecting the oceans, then he disappeared

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Post by lupire »

kurthr wrote: post #58
upwardbound wrote: post #21

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> The men left their impoverished homes years ago full of hope and headed to neighboring Thailand, promising to send money back from good-paying jobs. Instead, they were tricked, sold or even kidnapped and put onto boats that became floating prisons. They then were trafficked thousands of miles away to the isolated Indonesian island village of Benjina, where the AP first found hundreds of captive fishermen, including…

Being Shanghaied is still a thing. I wish this was TIL, unfortunately I already did. The world is a much more brutal place than many in the developed world realize.

You can say "crimped", pressed", "press gangeg", "abducted" even "shanghaied" in place of "Shanghaied".

Re: Keith Davis was protecting the oceans, then he disappeared

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Post by lupire »

stephen_g wrote: post #61
rajup wrote: post #47

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I’m a lifelong vegetarian, I think many crop industries might have similar abuse? What is it about meat/fish that makes it more prone to abuse?

Yeah, even here in Australia, some of the closest we have to slave labour is temporary migrants picking fruit and vegetables... Going vegetarian would do very little I think if you care about this issue.

Generally, vegetarian/vegan requires less raw inputs, so less labor and less chance for slavery.

Buying produced food from sources that have rule of law is more direct, but harder.

Re: Keith Davis was protecting the oceans, then he disappeared

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Post by lupire »

jacknews wrote: post #4

Commercial fishing at sea should be banned IMHO. It's unsustainable, and even if quotas could make it sustainable, they are all but unenforceable.

Are you going to go to war with the Chinese Communist Party to stop them from fishing world seas?

Re: Keith Davis was protecting the oceans, then he disappeared

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Post by yieldcrv »

Beltalowda wrote: post #99
yieldcrv wrote: post #77

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Huh never heard the precolonial societies on the Atlantic side referred to as First Nations Does all of Canada use that terminology now? I think that term only bleeds over across the border into the US in the Pacific Northwest, since some tribes there overlap borders and have a special cross border ID that allows employment (some cross border tribes in New England but theyre just split in two)

"First nations" is the common term in Canada to refer to the people living in the area now known as Canada before Europeans arrived, similar to "Native American" in the US.

I think we’re saying the same thing, just had not confirmed it was all of Canada saying this for all pre-european civilizations within Canada.

Re: Keith Davis was protecting the oceans, then he disappeared

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Post by markstos »

lupire wrote: post #101
markstos wrote: post #91

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You could stop eating tuna today. For good measure, other fish too. Consumers are part of this story and have choices to make.

There is no amount of fish that I can not eat that will stop other people from paying people to catch fish.

Every grocery trip is a vote.

Re: Keith Davis was protecting the oceans, then he disappeared

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Post by waste_monk »

ssizn wrote: post #71
superchroma wrote: post #53

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That's too bad. Nobody told people to have all those mouths to feed. The oceans are overfished and heavily polluted and people need the ocean to survive. If people rely on fucking up the ocean, we're all in trouble.

Humans > Environment.

All well and good until you run out of environment. If the ocean is overfished and its ecosystem collapses, the people who depend on it for food will starve anyway.

Re: Keith Davis was protecting the oceans, then he disappeared

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Post by vegardx »

philliphaydon wrote: post #93
vegardx wrote: post #86

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Is it any different from other farmed fish? And what is the danger here?

https://youtu.be/RYYf8cLUV5E Many documentaries and stories about it. In singapore my daughter LOVED salmon so we only bought NZ King Salmon.

This guy has made wild claims forever, never backed up with actual reproducible science.

I'm not going to pretend that farmed fish isn't without its problems, especially for the environment, but dangerous to eat, no.

Re: Keith Davis was protecting the oceans, then he disappeared

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Post by everforward »

waste_monk wrote: post #107
ssizn wrote: post #71

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Humans > Environment.

All well and good until you run out of environment. If the ocean is overfished and its ecosystem collapses, the people who depend on it for food will starve anyway.

This. We either use the little bit of abusing the ocean we have left to flatten out population curves, or the population crashes to a much lower level later on.

We wouldn't need such dramatic changes to combat global warming if the population didn't continually exponentially expand.

Re: Keith Davis was protecting the oceans, then he disappeared

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Post by philliphaydon »

vegardx wrote: post #108
philliphaydon wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://youtu.be/RYYf8cLUV5E Many documentaries and stories about it. In singapore my daughter LOVED salmon so we only bought NZ King Salmon.

This guy has made wild claims forever, never backed up with actual reproducible science. I'm not going to pretend that farmed fish isn't without its problems, especially for the environment, but dangerous to eat, no.

There was a report in the EU in 2017 or 2018 which suggested reducing intake of farmed salmon as a result of the study.

It isn't 1 guys claim.

Not only that there's a noticble taste difference between NZ King Salmon and Norwegian Farmed Salmon.

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