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Bitwarden raises $100M

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Re: Bitwarden raises $100M

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You can, but will you?

The points I was trying to make is that... 1. sure, it's great that it is open source and that I could self host, but honestly, it's just not worth the trouble for me and I'd rather pay 10-20 euros for someone to take care of that for me. Self hosting my password manager would take a significant time investment and constant worry whether I'm doing it right. It might be because I'm primarily an app developer now and n…

I'm already self hosting it, took 3 minutes to set up a self updating docker container.

Re: Bitwarden raises $100M

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This is a smart play. They are one of the very rare consumer security products in the market and they have a lot of enterprise traction. Their average user lifetime will probably average a decade, and identity is an immensely sticky tech. Just as a channel to those users, they would be an asset to some megalithic platform (the way whatsapp was to facebook) who wanted to acquire users to sell other products into. I could see a defensive acquisition by one of them in the near term while it's still cheap.

I was lucky enough to have a brief exchange with their CEO on his recent customer interview tour, and my impression was his product view was enterprise focused, which made sense in the context of this raise now. My relatively cold read was he seemed laser focused on a kind of "do what we do really well," philosophical vision on their current product, which I think is a strong asset to secure their LTCV with current customers, and that will drive their valuation.

However, I get overexcited at the growth prospect because security products are never what anyone but security people actually want, and all the products in the identity space suffer from the same problem of being top down management frameworks with integration and federation as just something you say but never do. A consumer security product people actually choose for themselves and want their employers and services to integrate with because they already like the experience of it, is just infinite level growth potential in a market of slow moving dinosaurs. Okta's massive expansion in just the last decade established that the gerontocracy of enterprise behemoths was too slow footed to respond to an incursion into the very foundation of their market (user identity), and what impressed me about this raise is that I think a well capitalized startup with traction could absolutely sack it.

Re: Bitwarden raises $100M

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> I don't give second chances to services that are trust based. You might run out of services then at some point. Human beings are fallible, full stop. Also, a company isn't an individual -- management teams change, corporate priorities change, security practices improve. Judging a whole company by what a few employees did or didn't do a decade ago isn't always going to yield an optimal approach. Refusing to give any…

> You might run out of services then at some point I prefer using services for my password management (I'm a bitwarden user who's currently happy as well), but I would jump back to some sort of self-hosted or even offline/manual sync solution if I thought that was the only way to keep my passwords safe. I like the convenience of a service, but I would sacrifice it over my security if it got to the point where I had t…

KeePass on a Google Drive or iCloud setup is pretty easy.

Re: Bitwarden raises $100M

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Thank you for using 1Password! A full rewrite takes a lot of time. We did this twice in the past and it is always painful. We had to do it again this time because the discrepancies between the platforms became ridiculous and we had to fix this. For example, the same search would produce different results on Mac and Windows and Android. We also took time to address some of the pain points that existed in 1Password 7.…

Thanks for sharing some extra context. I'm a fan (been using it for 10yrs I think?) and think the HN sentiment around it is not representative (it's the only app I'd actually recommend to people and that I trust my family can use). The family vault features are really great and I was glad to see the browser dropped (I didn't really get why it existed). I do miss some native features (like the iOS letter column on the…

Thank you so much!

> I do miss some native features (like the iOS letter column on the right that made it very fast to find something in the list), but generally get that there are tradeoffs to be made.

You are not the only who missed this feature and it is coming back soon. It wasn't available in SwiftUI and we had to go back to UIKit to implement it.

Re: Bitwarden raises $100M

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IOW, it's a weird SV bubble thing. I get the idea that most developers in SV don't know C#/.Net, that happens everywhere. Some areas are java, some .net, some Ruby/Python. What I was surprised about was this weird rationalization that C#/.Net was somehow dangerous to a startup. Not only is that not true, C#/.Net is going to be better for a startup long term due to the stability that comes with that ecosystem that you…

> What I was surprised about was this weird rationalization that C#/.Net was somehow dangerous to a startup. Not only is that not true, C#/.Net is going to be better for a startup long term due to the stability that comes with that ecosystem that you flat don't get in ruby, python, js, etc. It's "dangerous" in some scenarios for sure. 1) You want to hire locally in SV; there just isn't a concentration of developers t…

My issue is with the idea that startups are harmed by using C#/.net.

The C#/.Net ecosystem is a batteries included ecosystem, we're not talking about trying to use C++ to implement a website.

Functionally the major difference between C#/.Net and things like node, et al, is that the C#/.Net framework will be supported far longer than the other and the upgrade path will be a lot smoother. That's not opinion, it's objective fact. I've made a lot of money supporting companies that paid for the flavor-of-the-day du jour and didn't realize they needed to stay on the rat wheel that is major upgrades. There's literally a company dedicated to support out-of-date RoR frameworks, including older versions of popular gems with security updates they maintain themselves because of this phenomenon.

My point here is this.

There is nothing inherent in C# or .Net that is dangerous to startups, that's a bubble you seem to exist in. Not choosing C# because the area is mostly Python and JS is a legitimate decision. What isn't legitimate is rationalizing that into C#/.Net itself being inappropriate for startups in general, rather than being inappropriate for that area (for ALL companies, not just startups).

This whole thing about enterprise is a red herring. Enterprise companies use Python and Ruby as well. It smacks of a community trying to rationalize something that has no true rationalization.

Re: Bitwarden raises $100M

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Oh dear, this isnt good news at all. Now they're going to be under pressure to produce excessive returns to fatten the company up for an IPO or sale. Having seen what happened to Lastpass when it was passed around from pillar to post this saddens me deeply. Lets see what anti consumer measures they start introducing to force us to pay more. Limitations on the free tier look likely and price rises as well.

Here we go again: Some company (in this case, Bitwarden) "betrayed" its customers by doing what every other firm does. And Hn goes brrr over it. I wonder, aren't the majority of HNers working at a for-profit company funded by VCs?

The hypocrisy is just intolerable at this point.

Re: Bitwarden raises $100M

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I switched to Bitwarden when LastPass started using silly tactics to make customers pay. I didn't switch because of the price - the service pricing of Bitwarden was a pleasant surprise. I switched because I lost all trust in LastPass. Managing credentials and sensitive information is all about trust. The second I lose trust in that kind of service, I don't just stop using it, I will most likely never even consider co…

> I don't give second chances to services that are trust based. You might run out of services then at some point. Human beings are fallible, full stop. Also, a company isn't an individual -- management teams change, corporate priorities change, security practices improve. Judging a whole company by what a few employees did or didn't do a decade ago isn't always going to yield an optimal approach. Refusing to give any…

Here we go again: Some company (in this case, Bitwarden) "betrayed" its customers by doing what every other firm does. And Hn goes brrr over it. I wonder, aren't the majority of HNers working at a for-profit company funded by VCs?

The hypocrisy is just intolerable at this point.

Re: Bitwarden raises $100M

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> I don't give second chances to services that are trust based. You might run out of services then at some point. Human beings are fallible, full stop. Also, a company isn't an individual -- management teams change, corporate priorities change, security practices improve. Judging a whole company by what a few employees did or didn't do a decade ago isn't always going to yield an optimal approach. Refusing to give any…

2001-2007, I had multiple bad experiences with Compaq, Lexmark and HP. These were so bad in terms of cost and frustration I vowed I would never buy their products or services again. It's been... 15+ years. The tech world of today is not quite the tech world of 2003. Should I ever bother with a Compaq or HP again? I probably won't, but the 'avoid at all costs' just isn't there with me any more. Perhaps I've mellowed s…

> Should I ever bother with a Compaq..

I don’t know guys, should we tell him?

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