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Re: Google Now Censors The Pirate Bay, isoHunt, 4Shared and More

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Post by bad_user »

billpatrianakos wrote: post #32
JonnieCache wrote: post #23

I said this before last time around on this non-issue: Google are not preventing people reaching tpb results. They are declining to actively push these results unbidden upon people. The massive, fundamental difference between these two things should be obvious. Do we really think it's unreasonable for google to decline to actively point it's users towards largely illegal material which they had not explicitly request…

I'm with Jonnie here. This whole outrage is ludicrous. This is like NAMBLA throwing a hissy fit over Google not showing suggestions for search terms like "kiddie p0rn". Like he said, the results are still there, just not the autocomplete. And stealing content? Where? A music service isn't a radical new idea and I'm sure they could have just as easily done it whether they stole content or not. This is a for profit com…

I upvoted you and I agree with what you're saying.

However, while copyright itself is an economically and morally valid concept, the current copyright law is not.

It's simply not OK for copyright protections to last for 100 years (and growing, as long as Disney is still around), when something like 10 years should be enough. It's also not OK to sue parents for singing Happy Birthday to their child in a 20 secs YouTube video. I also don't think it's OK to sue anybody for singing a song, unless he does it for commercial purposes. It's also not OK to demand tens of thousands of dollars for a single song you downloaded illegally. Or to sue children or grandmas.

Another problem is that sharing is in human nature. If you can't find a way around that (like putting a tax in every Internet connection that should take care of any illegal song or movie downloads) than it's also unjust to punish people for doing something which is in their nature (it's like punishing people for having sex).

It's not that copyright is unjust. The concept is OK, the authors need to live too. But they went way too far (and not for the benefit of the authors ;))

Re: Google Now Censors The Pirate Bay, isoHunt, 4Shared and More

#62

Post by bandushrew »

richardw wrote: post #58
bandushrew wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yes? why wouldn't they?

You might feel differently if your kid had been raped, say. When you only have one principle to deal with, life is simple, but I think there are grey areas in all these issues. Similarly, the argument to legalise drugs. Personally, I agree with the argument, but a similar demand-supply problem exists in human trafficking (e.g. child sex slavery), but there I think the laws should continue to keep the latter illegal e…

hmm? 'Rape' has auto suggestions.

In general I dont think that consumption of child pornography is much of a crime, the harm has been done by then, and some poor sad git masturbating over a 3 year old isn't going to make it any worse.

Personally I would rather they put significant resources into catching those people who create it, than into changing search engines and blocking dns addresses so that everyone can pretend it doesn't exist.

Re: Google Now Censors The Pirate Bay, isoHunt, 4Shared and More

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Post by [deleted] »

richardw wrote: post #58
bandushrew wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yes? why wouldn't they?

You might feel differently if your kid had been raped, say. When you only have one principle to deal with, life is simple, but I think there are grey areas in all these issues. Similarly, the argument to legalise drugs. Personally, I agree with the argument, but a similar demand-supply problem exists in human trafficking (e.g. child sex slavery), but there I think the laws should continue to keep the latter illegal e…

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Re: Google Now Censors The Pirate Bay, isoHunt, 4Shared and More

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Post by Confusion »

bad_user wrote: post #59
jellicle wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of all those users typing "torren" in Google's search bar, what percentage are trying to reach "torrent" and what percentage are trying to reach the Torrens land title system? Because right now Google is only showing me Torrens, and I suspect 99.99%+ of all users typing "torren" want torrents. Just so you know, the lame arguments you are making are not new or novel. Throughout history, all episodes of censorship…

When I search for "torrent" on Google, the third result is The Pirate Bay, and when I search for "torren" The Pirate Bay is the first result, with a suggestion to correct the word to "torrent". Of course, as you may know, results are relative to the user profile Google builds about you. Throughout history, all episodes of censorship have been met with the response that the material isn't REALLY censored Citation need…

You really want a citation for something that is obviously true? Of course in any censorship debate, there is someone that says "you can always get it through the underground, the black market, the fact that the ban isn't actively upheld, insert other similar reason". These folks are always around. Asking a citation to support that assertion is silly. Otherwise I ask you to cite support for your assertion that "a material is either forbidden or not forbidden". I'd like to point out we have courts deciding whether laws apply and whether something is forbidden or isn't covered by a specific law.

Re: Google Now Censors The Pirate Bay, isoHunt, 4Shared and More

#65

Post by ordinary »

bandushrew wrote: post #62
richardw wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might feel differently if your kid had been raped, say. When you only have one principle to deal with, life is simple, but I think there are grey areas in all these issues. Similarly, the argument to legalise drugs. Personally, I agree with the argument, but a similar demand-supply problem exists in human trafficking (e.g. child sex slavery), but there I think the laws should continue to keep the latter illegal e…

hmm? 'Rape' has auto suggestions. In general I dont think that consumption of child pornography is much of a crime, the harm has been done by then, and some poor sad git masturbating over a 3 year old isn't going to make it any worse. Personally I would rather they put significant resources into catching those people who create it, than into changing search engines and blocking dns addresses so that everyone can pret…

Demand encourages supply.

Re: Google Now Censors The Pirate Bay, isoHunt, 4Shared and More

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Post by blub »

richardw wrote: post #54
jellicle wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of all those users typing "torren" in Google's search bar, what percentage are trying to reach "torrent" and what percentage are trying to reach the Torrens land title system? Because right now Google is only showing me Torrens, and I suspect 99.99%+ of all users typing "torren" want torrents. Just so you know, the lame arguments you are making are not new or novel. Throughout history, all episodes of censorship…

So if someone types "child por" in, should Google autocomplete if a common request is "child porn"? Also, don't call the guy's argument lame, just answer it. Be civil.

You're that typical someone that chimes in with the worst possible thing that they imagine could happen if censorship is not enforced. Then when it's pointed out that censorship is still undesirable, that typical somone retorts "Well what if happened to you/your mum/dog/gerbil?!".

There's a balance between being afraid of your own shadow and being reasonably careful/safe. Think about that.

Re: Google Now Censors The Pirate Bay, isoHunt, 4Shared and More

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Post by yohui »

ordinary wrote: post #65
bandushrew wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

hmm? 'Rape' has auto suggestions. In general I dont think that consumption of child pornography is much of a crime, the harm has been done by then, and some poor sad git masturbating over a 3 year old isn't going to make it any worse. Personally I would rather they put significant resources into catching those people who create it, than into changing search engines and blocking dns addresses so that everyone can pret…

Demand encourages supply.

Even if nobody's paying?

Given the threat our lawmakers believe piracy poses to content-producers, and that they wish to suppress the production of child porn, perhaps they should actually encourage the piracy of child porn...

(I jest, of course, but the law itself is none too rational here.)

Re: Google Now Censors The Pirate Bay, isoHunt, 4Shared and More

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Post by richardw »

blub wrote: post #66
richardw wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So if someone types "child por" in, should Google autocomplete if a common request is "child porn"? Also, don't call the guy's argument lame, just answer it. Be civil.

You're that typical someone that chimes in with the worst possible thing that they imagine could happen if censorship is not enforced. Then when it's pointed out that censorship is still undesirable, that typical somone retorts "Well what if happened to you/your mum/dog/gerbil?!". There's a balance between being afraid of your own shadow and being reasonably careful/safe. Think about that.

Because I use a specific technique to highlight an issue implies nothing about 'me' except that I can use that technique. Your argument would be stronger if you focus on the issue, not the person.

You used the words "reasonably careful/safe", which I assume means you're not subscribing to an extremist position. Similarly, I don't hold an extremist position on this and am simply highlighting that there are grey areas that Google has to deal with. If it were easy, they'd have made an obvious decision years ago and wouldn't need to change it.

Re: Google Now Censors The Pirate Bay, isoHunt, 4Shared and More

#69

Post by bandushrew »

ordinary wrote: post #65
bandushrew wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

hmm? 'Rape' has auto suggestions. In general I dont think that consumption of child pornography is much of a crime, the harm has been done by then, and some poor sad git masturbating over a 3 year old isn't going to make it any worse. Personally I would rather they put significant resources into catching those people who create it, than into changing search engines and blocking dns addresses so that everyone can pret…

Demand encourages supply.

yep. demand exists, so does supply.

I am unsure what problem you actually believe is being solved by google?

What google appears to be doing now is attempting to pretend that neither supply nor demand exist at all.

The insanity of that must be fairly obvious?

Re: Google Now Censors The Pirate Bay, isoHunt, 4Shared and More

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Post by yohui »

richardw wrote: post #58
bandushrew wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yes? why wouldn't they?

You might feel differently if your kid had been raped, say. When you only have one principle to deal with, life is simple, but I think there are grey areas in all these issues. Similarly, the argument to legalise drugs. Personally, I agree with the argument, but a similar demand-supply problem exists in human trafficking (e.g. child sex slavery), but there I think the laws should continue to keep the latter illegal e…

All else equal, the difference is that taking drugs (may) harm the user, and only the user, while taking a slave obviously involves another person.
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