This is less of an article, and more of an advertisement for cloudflare.. No, you don't need a CDN for your lightweight static site. nginx and your home fiber gigabit connection will do _JUST_FINE_ (tm), even when slashdotted or getting on frontpage at HN. Also, just drop the generators and write your html already.. Sure, it's fun to learn a new toy, but in end, any abstraction between your content and the HTML being…
Static site hosting hurdles
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Re: Static site hosting hurdles
#102fasthttp doesn't implement HTTP/1 correctly, and doesn't implement HTTP/2 at all. It's not an appropriate choice for a general purpose tool or library. The code is also not correctly formatted. Strong negative signals.
Could you point to an issue describe such an improper behavior?
> doesn't implement HTTP/2 at all
Or HTTP/3; and most likely it won't implement HTTP/4 (after the HTTP/3 fashion dies out). There is an issue about this on `fasthttp`'s repository: https://github.com/valyala/fasthttp/issues/144>
And I'll quote here what I've said there:
> Having experimented in my kawipiko static server based on fasthttp with both HTTP/2 (based on the Go's implementation) and HTTP/3 (based on an experimental available library), I continue to believe that perhaps HTTP/2 and HTTP/3 is a job for some other component of the infrastructure, be it a CDN or even a local HTTP router / load-balancer such as HAProxy.
Thus if one needs HTTP/2 or HTTP/3 in order to reap their performance benefits, then using a CDN that actually supports these is the best approach.
Re: Static site hosting hurdles
#103It felt odd to see a doc this comprehensive on static site hosting with no mention of AWS S3/Cloudfront, given how easy it is to push content to an S3 bucket (either manually or via the CI pipeline of your choosing) and then serve it up either direct-from-S3 or via Cloudfront. But then it turns out that this is actually pushing folks towards some new paradigm of static cached HTTP responses instead of files. It pitch…
>We’ve already standardized the hosting side of static sites by using the file system. Worth noting that the incoming younger generations can't and don't into file systems.[1] Yes, anyone who wants to be a webmaster should do their homework, but that is besides the point. We are probably the last generation who can be ubiquitously assumed to have an understanding of files and folders/directories in a computer. [1]: h…
It takes me a minimum of 60 seconds to naviate to ~ using the GUI on my work laptop.
(Partially because the dialog box sucks, and partially because I only do that once every 6 months or so.)
It's like some UI designer didn't understand folders, then somehow forced their brain damaged mental model of them on the rest of the population. After that, for some reason I will never understand, the rest of the industry copied the design.
(I've worked on filesystem implementations, tested for POSIX compliance, debugged insane customer issues, etc, etc. I know how directories work...)
Re: Static site hosting hurdles
#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
S3 is not competitive. Here: https://neocities.org/supporter
Competitive by what metric? My site lives more or less entirely within the AWS free tier. I think my total AWS bill is around $20/mo, and 80% of that is for the stupid number of domain names I’m hosting zones for.
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#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's still a "web server" in front of those files that speaks HTTP and delivers those files. An extremely simple one, but it still exists. What they're proposing is cutting out the "speaks HTTP" part in favor of entirely pre-recorded responses. Whether you think that's feasible or not depends on where you draw the line in the sand, but it can certainly be easier to implement than nginx.
Web servers exist already. Does what you’re describing exist?
Re: Static site hosting hurdles
#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
>We’ve already standardized the hosting side of static sites by using the file system. Worth noting that the incoming younger generations can't and don't into file systems.[1] Yes, anyone who wants to be a webmaster should do their homework, but that is besides the point. We are probably the last generation who can be ubiquitously assumed to have an understanding of files and folders/directories in a computer. [1]: h…
In fairness to younger generations, I can never figure out how to use file choosers in modern operating systems or in crap like google drive. It takes me a minimum of 60 seconds to naviate to ~ using the GUI on my work laptop. (Partially because the dialog box sucks, and partially because I only do that once every 6 months or so.) It's like some UI designer didn't understand folders, then somehow forced their brain d…
He probably didn't.
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#107Uh what's wrong with shared hosting? I use Dreamhost but there are dozens of others. It costs less than $10/month and I've used it since 2009. I think the industry (or part of a generation of programmers) somehow collectively forgot that it exists. I don't see any mention of it in the article -- it solves the problem exactly. It easily serves and survives all the spikes from Hacker News that my site gets. Shared host…
I have great respect for the folks keeping this stable and working for decades for such a low price!
Re: Static site hosting hurdles
#108Uh what's wrong with shared hosting? I use Dreamhost but there are dozens of others. It costs less than $10/month and I've used it since 2009. I think the industry (or part of a generation of programmers) somehow collectively forgot that it exists. I don't see any mention of it in the article -- it solves the problem exactly. It easily serves and survives all the spikes from Hacker News that my site gets. Shared host…
Although shared webhosting is part of our web history -- and still a viable choice especially if you have something in PHP or something that requires a little-bit of dynamic content -- I don't think it's still a common choice for today.
It's somewhere in between dedicated cloud-hosting, because although you have an actual HTTP server (usually Apache or Nginx) that you can't configure it much because it's managed by the provider, thus it gives you the same features (and limitations) as an a proper cloud-hosted static site solution (such as Netlify); and between self-hosting because of the same reasons, having an actual full-blown HTTP server, but one you can't fully control, thus it gives you fewer features than a self-managed VM in a cloud provider or self-hosted machine. Thus unless you need PHP, or `htaccess`, I think the other two alternatives make a better choice.
The issue with "static sites", due to the de-facto requirements in 2022 imposed by the the internet "gatekeepers" (mainly search engines), is that they aren't "just a bunch of files on disk that we can just serve with proper `Content-Type`, `Last-Modified` or `ETag`, and perhaps compressed"; we now need (in order to meet the latest hoops the gatekeepers want us to jump through) to also do a bunch of things that aren't quite possible (or certainly not easily) with current web servers. For example:
* minification (which I've cited in my article) -- besides compression, one should also employ HTML / CSS / JS and other asset minification; none of the classical web servers support this; there is something like https://www.modpagespeed.com/>, but it's far from straightforward to deploy (let alone on a shared web-host;)
* when it comes to headers (be it the ones for CSP and other security related ones) or even `Link` headers for preloading, these aren't easy to configure, especially if you need those `Link` headers only for some HTML pages and not all resources; in this regard I don't know how many shared webhosts actually allow you to tinker with these;
The point I was trying to make is that if you want to deploy a professional (as in performant) static web site, just throwing some files in a folder and pointing Apache or Nginx at them isn't enough. If the performance you are getting by default from such a setup is enough for you, then perfect! If not there is a lot of pain getting everything to work properly.
Re: Static site hosting hurdles
#109> the cloud operator, given that all of the above choices are self-hosted (or at least require some system administration skills), would immediately go for a hosted solution like CloudFlare Pages, Netlify, Vercel, or one of the source code hosting sites that also have static site hosting solutions like SourceHut pages or GitHub pages; i think of myself as a graybeard (in the article's parlance; i find the term exclus…
Way too many people wear their meaningless manual busywork as a badge of honor.
No time or patience for that crap. These are the things that the computers were invented to do. Let them, they do it better. You are a creative force, use your energy on creative endeavours, not on pointless BS.
I, like you, have no less than 500 things in my mental (and partially written) backlog to "check one day". I want to eventually get to that point, not to write HTML.
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#110> check that with/without .html extension serving works properly; (i.e. /some-file.html should perhaps return the same content as /some-file, or even better, choose one as canonical and redirect for the other one;) Strong disagree. You do not want both URLs to return the same content; you can have alternatives redirect to the canonical URL; but think through why you’re doing it: who is benefited by the redirect? If y…
At least with regard the with/without slash redirects there is value in these: sometimes the user copy-pastes the URL but forgets the final slash, sometimes the application he is using for bookmarking, sharing, etc. drops the slash; sometimes even the site owner forgets be consistent. Thus having those redirects in place means not having dead links pointing to your site.
With regard the `.html`, with and without, it's a matter of taste... However, the same point applies, perhaps you've been inconsistent along the years, thus having redirects saves the dead links...
However you are right about the "canonical" URL: for search engine purposes, having a single page serving the content, and the rest being redirects, is kind of essential. (Or at least having a `` if not a redirect.)
> Supporting more things for the sake of it is not a virtue. There is value in failing early on incorrect input. Postel was wrong.
It is when you don't want dead links. :)