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In Response to SOPA, Reddit Meshnet Project picks up steam

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Re: In Response to SOPA, Reddit Meshnet Project picks up steam

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Freenet, i2p and Tor are good examples of what we are trying to do, but they are not quite what we want. Our end goal intent is a completely separate network with it own infrastructure.

What I meant by a native implementation is one with no underlying infrastructure. Freenet (protocol) would be running directly on the hardware. Set up a mesh of (media agnostic) point-to-point links and use the Freenet protocol to route traffic and turn them into a network. A big caveat is that Freenet might not scale as required. One problem you are going to face if you stick to an IP based network is: who is going…

I think the ultimate goal should still be maximum decentralization. Even if there will be some "super nodes", they should still be as decentralized as possible, and without being tied to some corporation or Government. Otherwise, what's the point in even doing this.

The ultimate goal should be a close to 100% P2P "Internet". All of that may not be possible within this decade, but maybe in the future. For example the hardest part to decentralize this will be when trying to link 2 continents to each other through a true mesh network. But again, I think future technology will solve this. Until then, the best strategy is to build ultra-local mesh networks, then larger local ones, then city-wide, state-wide, and so on. Grow it gradually, like any movement.

Re: In Response to SOPA, Reddit Meshnet Project picks up steam

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Freenet, i2p and Tor are good examples of what we are trying to do, but they are not quite what we want. Our end goal intent is a completely separate network with it own infrastructure.

What I meant by a native implementation is one with no underlying infrastructure. Freenet (protocol) would be running directly on the hardware. Set up a mesh of (media agnostic) point-to-point links and use the Freenet protocol to route traffic and turn them into a network. A big caveat is that Freenet might not scale as required. One problem you are going to face if you stick to an IP based network is: who is going…

who is going to administer the address space?

How about IPv6 geographic addresses? http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hain-ipv6-geo-addr-02

Re: In Response to SOPA, Reddit Meshnet Project picks up steam

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The Occupiers are ahead of the Redditors, having actually bought and deployed some hardware, although that isn't saying much since both groups are writing manifestos instead of code. http://freenetworkfoundation.org/ http://mashable.com/2011/11/14/how-occupy-wall-street-is-bui...

Re: In Response to SOPA, Reddit Meshnet Project picks up steam

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Can the Phantom protocol be combined with this somehow? http://code.google.com/p/phantom/

I like what I'm reading so far, this might be an excellent protocol to examine.

He has been trying to make it extremely secure and anonymous, and all communications are end-to-end encrypted. To me it sounds like the ideal protocol for protection against censorship and spying on the users.

However, I don't know how well it can be combined with a mesh network, especially one that wants to piggy back on the normal Internet, since this protocol is meant for a stand alone network. But perhaps it can be modified for that. It would probably be best to talk to the creator of the protocol about it directly and ask for his help.

Re: In Response to SOPA, Reddit Meshnet Project picks up steam

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There may be ways to overcome the limitations of mesh networking, as outlined by many people here, but you will need to think outside the mesh, so to speak. It is probably best to think of the mesh as the "last mile" component rather than the backbone. One idea: a $5 laser pointer can be modulated at well over 100 Mbit/s. Everyone in an urban area who can see one side of a building can bounce laser beams off of it. (…

I read that Xerox did this between two of their buildings many years ago. Apparently it ran across some portion of a motorway and they had to turn if off occassionally. I've forgotten where I read this. Maybe someone else knows the full story.

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At this point, we're considering all contributions equally.

You may like the concept that all ideas are equally valid, but unfortunately reality disagrees.

Reality is defined what happens NOW in its complete context. That would be considering all ideas. Through considering, these ideas should indeed be equally. And what happens NOW in its complete context, what is considered suitable, valuable to oppose with is probably created in the future.

Re: In Response to SOPA, Reddit Meshnet Project picks up steam

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No offense to the "reddit meshnet project", but the last I checked (this could have changed) what they're proposing isn't possible with the team that they have right now. There are a couple of problems: 1) They don't have a solid hardware platform to work on, and the feeling I've gotten from talking to some of the people on /r/darknetplan is that they really don't have the proper understanding of wireless tech to mak…

From what I heard in the IRC group when I was hanging out, the group is mostly made up of people who think it's a nice idea but have absolutely no idea what they're doing. My prediction is this movement fails flat on its face, as the people with the knowhow to develop the new protocols for this network are uninterested in joining a mass of lemmings who are more interested about what the project is going to be called…

I've taken it upon myself to shit on anything that hasn't been already implemented.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OLSR

That's my current proposal for routing protocol. How it works at scale, I have no fucking idea, but I'll manually write the redistribution if I have to at the aggregation nodes.

Re: In Response to SOPA, Reddit Meshnet Project picks up steam

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This interests me, but I can't find a paper - stuff like "mesh network bandwidth" simply don't work on scholar. Any chance of a citation?

Jinyang Li, Charles Blake, Douglas S. J. De Couto, Hu Imm Lee, and Robert Morris: Capacity of Ad Hoc Wireless Networks. Mobicom 2001. http://pdos.csail.mit.edu/papers/grid:mobicom01/ Summary: Throughput of a mesh asymptotically approaches 1/7th of the non-mesh link rate. This is using the 802.11 MAC, but recent softMAC chipsets could be run in a more mesh-optimized psuedo-802.11 protocol (that has not been invented y…

1/7 or 1/4 is a lot better than k/n^2.
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