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Killing invasive species is now a competitive sport

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Re: Killing invasive species is now a competitive sport

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This makes me immediately think about the Cobra effect anecdote (or fable?). Basically, the Indian gov't tried to control the snake population by offering a bounty, and people started breeding snakes and killing them for bounty money. Better writeup here: https://ourworld.unu.edu/en/systems-thinking-and-the-cobra-e...

Similar story with the Great Hanoi Rat Massacre. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Hanoi_Rat_Massacre)

Re: Killing invasive species is now a competitive sport

#82
post #54

Fogg spears two hundred creatures, in two trips, before returning to his boat... (Fogg has posted his video on YouTube, and it has been watched more than a million times.) It's very disappointing that they don't link directly to this video[1], unlike the New York Times which always links directly to their sources and references. It seems like the New York Times is the only mainstream news site that's not absolutely t…

That's incredible, and honestly looks quite fun. The fact that they're venomous might keep me from trying, though. This got me thinking - as drone tech continues to improve and drop in price, I wonder if we could deploy a fleet of cheap autonomous fish-killing submersibles. The failure modes or evolutionary pressures might be problematic, but imagine the lionfish we could kill at volume.

> This got me thinking - as drone tech continues to improve and drop in price, I wonder if we could deploy a fleet of cheap autonomous fish-killing submersibles. The failure modes or evolutionary pressures might be problematic, but imagine the lionfish we could kill at volume.

You're not the only one with that idea, automated underwater robots [0] are developed to kill crown-of-thorns starfish that eat corals[1]. They can cause a lot of damage to coral reefs and don't have a lot of predators.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COTSBot

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown-of-thorns_starfish#Ecolo...

Re: Killing invasive species is now a competitive sport

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The whole concept of "invasive species" makes me a bit uncomfortable. For one thing, preserving the purity of a local ecosystem is not the same thing as preserving the purity of your local human race, but it's not entirely different either. Also, an the world becomes more and more connected, it's a battle doomed to be lost. And those battles, as much as we might wish otherwise, should not be fought. Also, the idea th…

New Zealand would like to have a word

Re: Killing invasive species is now a competitive sport

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The question is: do all these sport "hunters" make any difference at all in the lionfish population? My guess is No. We could pay a bounty for killing mosquitos, but it wouldn't be nearly as effective as draining all the standing water, or introducing birth control of some sort. If I'm right that they're having no effect, then either a CRISPR solution, or introducing a natural predator is the answer (assuming that th…

The article says that there needs to be large scale commercial lionfish hunting to actually solve the problem.

Re: Killing invasive species is now a competitive sport

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you haven’t had fun on this planet until you've gone hunting for invasive hogs in florida or texas. stars, night observation devices, suppressed semiautomatic rifles. regardless of your stance on guns or killing things almost as smart as humans, you should give this fun and useful activity a try sometime. you’ll learn some skills and make solid friends along the way.

I used to help friends manage destructive hog populations on TX farmland. It was really crazy. I remember a few years back people on twitter were ragging on some guy for saying he needed an AR to kill "30-50 feral hogs", acting as if that was some sort of insane fictional scenario, when in reality he was being perfectly veracious. I haven't helped with hog control in 5+ years, but I'm interested to see how it's chang…

I assume a lot of of it is people with the latest/greatest gear for "prepper" use doing live-fire testing against hogs, not so much people buying gear solely for addressing hogs. (I have pvs-31/gen3 and a separate thermal monocular, trying to get an eCoti or make a clone of one, and am super into the new digital stuff for sensor fusion, but while I'd love to go hog hunting, it's not primarily stuff I've bought for the purpose of shooting hogs. A good "tell" here is people who don't run full-time IR illuminator to be realistic training against adversaries who might themselves have NV)

Re: Killing invasive species is now a competitive sport

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It sounds like a great way to earn the company of fellow psychopaths. The ecological need is easy to understand, but turning it into a "sport" tells you a lot about the caliber of people we're living with. The people engaging in this activity are worse than poachers; at least poachers kill to earn a living.

> The people engaging in this activity are worse than poachers Sausage is yummy, and pigs do ecological damage.

Do you think your sausages are being made from wild pigs?

Re: Killing invasive species is now a competitive sport

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post #86
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The people engaging in this activity are worse than poachers Sausage is yummy, and pigs do ecological damage.

Do you think your sausages are being made from wild pigs?

Yes. You shoot the pig. Then you bring it to Los Gatos Meats and they will process it the way you like.

Better have a chest freezer.

I've not actually done this myself, mind you, but I've enjoyed the hand-me-downs from this process.

Re: Killing invasive species is now a competitive sport

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post #41

By any definition humans are an invasive species. Unfortunately killing our fellow humans has been a competitive sport from time immemorial.

Humans are as natural as any animal on this planet. Beavers build dams, flooding vast areas and it’s natural. When humans do it, it’s not. Makes zero sense.

Though I understand, and in a way agree with your point—that human changes to the environment are as natural as that of beavers—, I think one important difference is the scale of those changes.

Ours are not as natural in the sense that we no longer rely on our inborn capacities to produce those changes.

Yes, in a way we are like beavers in our engineering. But we are insanely overpowered beavers. The scope of our changes puts us in a class of our own.

So if we call changing the environment by one's own means only 'natural', and massively changing it by compounded means 'artificial', we are not natural, not as beavers. Ours is artificial.

So contrary to what you said, that distinction makes at least some sense.

Re: Killing invasive species is now a competitive sport

#90
post #54

Fogg spears two hundred creatures, in two trips, before returning to his boat... (Fogg has posted his video on YouTube, and it has been watched more than a million times.) It's very disappointing that they don't link directly to this video[1], unlike the New York Times which always links directly to their sources and references. It seems like the New York Times is the only mainstream news site that's not absolutely t…

That's incredible, and honestly looks quite fun. The fact that they're venomous might keep me from trying, though. This got me thinking - as drone tech continues to improve and drop in price, I wonder if we could deploy a fleet of cheap autonomous fish-killing submersibles. The failure modes or evolutionary pressures might be problematic, but imagine the lionfish we could kill at volume.

Spearfishing is one of the most exciting and engaging sports I can think of. I’m not much for scuba, but spearing on a breath is pretty incredible.

I’ve continued free diving but I don’t kill fish anymore for personal reasons. Regardless, I strongly encourage anyone interested to try it. Of all the ways to get a meal, getting in the water and selecting the ideal catch is the best I’ve ever known.

Just like the article describes, there are invasive species up for grabs all over the world. They’re usually fine to eat and worth targeting.

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