Keith Davis was protecting the oceans, then he disappeared • Hacker News Board

Re: Keith Davis was protecting the oceans, then he disappeared

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Post by jacknews » Tue, Sep 06, 2022, 4:45 AM UTC

User23 wrote: post #8

jacknews wrote: post #4

Commercial fishing at sea should be banned IMHO. It's unsustainable, and even if quotas could make it sustainable, they are all but unenforceable.

Banning is just setting a quota of zero, which you've already agreed is effectively unenforceable. Obviously control has to be on the demand and not the supply side. Banning the sale of fish, or punitively taxing it, would be two options to make commercial fishing economically unattractive.

I think indoor/raceway farmed fish is the future, once we work out sustainable food sources, eg insects.

I'm not sure how credible that is for marine species, but I'm sure it's possible for some, and we don't have to completely cut fish from our diets.

In the meantime, I agree, we should be banning the sale/import of some species of fish.

Re: Keith Davis was protecting the oceans, then he disappeared

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Post by neodypsis » Tue, Sep 06, 2022, 4:49 AM UTC

Is anybody here working on remote sensing applications for identifying illegal fishing?

Re: Keith Davis was protecting the oceans, then he disappeared

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Post by ars » Tue, Sep 06, 2022, 4:50 AM UTC

jacknews wrote: post #4

Commercial fishing at sea should be banned IMHO. It's unsustainable, and even if quotas could make it sustainable, they are all but unenforceable.

It's already slowing going away anyway, being replaced by fish farms: https://ourworldindata.org/rise-of-aquaculture

I can't seem to find any source with data past 2015.

Aquaculture is already cheaper than wild caught. In stores (judging by labels) wild caught is already becoming marketed as a "premium" product, with prices to match, which will reduce demand.

Re: Keith Davis was protecting the oceans, then he disappeared

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Post by phantomathkg » Tue, Sep 06, 2022, 4:52 AM UTC

Waterluvian wrote: post #2

What’s the fatality rate of those monitors vs. the rest of the crew?

Bad I would imagine. Not only can the watchman be killed, but also slavery as well. https://thecounter.org/new-technology-helping-identify-human...

Re: Keith Davis was protecting the oceans, then he disappeared

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Post by ars » Tue, Sep 06, 2022, 4:52 AM UTC

jacknews wrote: post #11

User23 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Banning is just setting a quota of zero, which you've already agreed is effectively unenforceable. Obviously control has to be on the demand and not the supply side. Banning the sale of fish, or punitively taxing it, would be two options to make commercial fishing economically unattractive.

I think indoor/raceway farmed fish is the future, once we work out sustainable food sources, eg insects. I'm not sure how credible that is for marine species, but I'm sure it's possible for some, and we don't have to completely cut fish from our diets. In the meantime, I agree, we should be banning the sale/import of some species of fish.

Why insects? Tilapia eat plants, and other fish eat tilapia.

Re: Keith Davis was protecting the oceans, then he disappeared

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Post by ryanwashburne » Tue, Sep 06, 2022, 4:55 AM UTC

neodypsis wrote: post #12

Is anybody here working on remote sensing applications for identifying illegal fishing?

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Re: Keith Davis was protecting the oceans, then he disappeared

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Post by sunsunsunsun » Tue, Sep 06, 2022, 4:56 AM UTC

neodypsis wrote: post #12

Is anybody here working on remote sensing applications for identifying illegal fishing?

Yep, I work for and there are several companies working on this problem. I specifically work for a company creating USVs to fight the issue on the water but there are others working on solutions from the air and space.

Re: Keith Davis was protecting the oceans, then he disappeared

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Post by neodypsis » Tue, Sep 06, 2022, 5:02 AM UTC

ryanwashburne wrote: post #16

neodypsis wrote: post #12

Is anybody here working on remote sensing applications for identifying illegal fishing?

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Costa Rica has been affected before by vessels that illegally exploit its marine resources (near the Cocos Island, particularly), as reported in a study that used remote-sensing [0].

[0] https://www-crhoy-com.translate.goog/nacionales/pesca-ilegal...

Re: Keith Davis was protecting the oceans, then he disappeared

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Post by neodypsis » Tue, Sep 06, 2022, 5:04 AM UTC

sunsunsunsun wrote: post #17

neodypsis wrote: post #12

Is anybody here working on remote sensing applications for identifying illegal fishing?

Yep, I work for and there are several companies working on this problem. I specifically work for a company creating USVs to fight the issue on the water but there are others working on solutions from the air and space.

Cool! Have you deployed any USVs near Cocos Island?

Re: Keith Davis was protecting the oceans, then he disappeared

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Post by upwardbound » Tue, Sep 06, 2022, 5:05 AM UTC

Here is some more detail about the ongoing human slavery that Keith spoke of and which phantomathkg linked to as well. https://www.ap.org/explore/seafood-from-slaves/fishing-slave... Fucking sad. I can't believe literal chattel slavery is this widespread. If you're considering becoming vegetarian or at least eating less meat and fish, maybe this is another reason to consider it. Either way, I hope we can find ways to crack down on abhorrent crimes like these in food supply chains.