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Re: Saturated fat: villain and bogeyman of cardiovascular disease?

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Post by feet »

hirundo wrote: post #3

Bogeyman: "Based on the scientific evidence, there is no scientific ground to demonize SFA as a cause of CVD. SFA naturally occurring in nutrient-dense foods can be safely included in the diet." After we vanquish the bogeyman, SFA can be revealed as a health food. https://med.umn.edu/news-events/new-research-finds-saturated...

In my opinion, calling a food or nutrient "healthy" hides the nuance. Nothing is inherently healthy.

The levels and forms that we consume the nutrients in could be considered healthy

Re: Saturated fat: villain and bogeyman of cardiovascular disease?

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Post by FollowingTheDao »

JoeyJoJoJr wrote: post #8

Just from my own anecdotal evidence, going clean vegan dropped my cholesterol levels from 6.1 to 5.1 in ~3 months. I’m pretty convinced there is a lot of truth to high saturated fat/animal products negatively impacting cholesterol levels. But that is my own personal experience. I’d encourage anyone seeking insights to just try a vegan diet for a while and compare their bloodwork, and how they feel. Seems like little…

As I said before I’ll keep repeating, it’s all about genetics. When I was vegan my VLDL was very high and my HDL was consistently below 35. When I went to a pescatarian diet with no plant oils is the only time my HDL is consistently above 50 and my VLDL dropped. I also have a history of early heart disease in my family.

I would not suggesting a diet to anyone if they do not know their genetics.

Re: Saturated fat: villain and bogeyman of cardiovascular disease?

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Post by mjthrowaway1 »

version_five wrote: post #4

I know that the Heart and Stroke Foundation (which I assume has good intentions) has long been telling people to avoid saturated fat and sodium, when it's not completely clear these are bad for all people (some can be sensitive to sodium for example). At some level it's probably not bad advice to limit intake of these things, but what ends up happening is that recommendations are for absurdly low levels (2400mg sodiu…

As crazy as it sounds 2.5hr of exercise per week is not a crazy expectation to care for one’s health.

Re: Saturated fat: villain and bogeyman of cardiovascular disease?

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Post by hilbert42 »

feet wrote: post #10
version_five wrote: post #4

I know that the Heart and Stroke Foundation (which I assume has good intentions) has long been telling people to avoid saturated fat and sodium, when it's not completely clear these are bad for all people (some can be sensitive to sodium for example). At some level it's probably not bad advice to limit intake of these things, but what ends up happening is that recommendations are for absurdly low levels (2400mg sodiu…

2.4g sodium is only "low" if you're eating a lot of processed foods It really isn't that low

Right. I don't put NaCl on anything I eat except perhaps fries which I'd only have a few times a year yet I reckon I consume considerably more than 2.4g a day.

It's put in every conceivable thing we eat that we don't cook ourselves. Either we become obsessive home cooking fanatic or we exceed that limit.

Re: Saturated fat: villain and bogeyman of cardiovascular disease?

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Post by feet »

hilbert42 wrote: post #14
feet wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

2.4g sodium is only "low" if you're eating a lot of processed foods It really isn't that low

Right. I don't put NaCl on anything I eat except perhaps fries which I'd only have a few times a year yet I reckon I consume considerably more than 2.4g a day. It's put in every conceivable thing we eat that we don't cook ourselves. Either we become obsessive home cooking fanatic or we exceed that limit.

Personally I track my nutrients with cronometer and I make 70% of my food from scratch by meal prepping and I don't add table salt to anything. If I don't use salt when seasoning my chicken my sodium intake is around 1g per day

Is it really considered obsessive to cook meals yourself? That sounds so bizarre to me

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Post by version_five »

hilbert42 wrote: post #14
feet wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

2.4g sodium is only "low" if you're eating a lot of processed foods It really isn't that low

Right. I don't put NaCl on anything I eat except perhaps fries which I'd only have a few times a year yet I reckon I consume considerably more than 2.4g a day. It's put in every conceivable thing we eat that we don't cook ourselves. Either we become obsessive home cooking fanatic or we exceed that limit.

I've looked into it a bit and my understanding is that added salt, like on fries, is almost irrelevant, in that a little salt goes a long way and salty fries still only have a comparatively low amount of sodium. On the other hand, commercial baked goods, like bread or buns, have an insane amount of sodium that you barely taste. A hotdog bun often has as much or more sodium as the hotdog.

Re: Saturated fat: villain and bogeyman of cardiovascular disease?

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Post by umangsh »

version_five wrote: post #4

I know that the Heart and Stroke Foundation (which I assume has good intentions) has long been telling people to avoid saturated fat and sodium, when it's not completely clear these are bad for all people (some can be sensitive to sodium for example). At some level it's probably not bad advice to limit intake of these things, but what ends up happening is that recommendations are for absurdly low levels (2400mg sodiu…

FDA RDIs are useful as an average guideline imo, while individual acceptable limits can vary. 2300 mg/day (https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/cfr...) Sodium is not that hard to exceed when consuming processed foods:

1. One serving of TGI Friday fries is 33% of daily sodium intake: https://www.famnom.com/my_food/8eaaea4d-e97d-4a38-8125-4b923...

2. One cheese pizza slice is 28%: https://www.famnom.com/my_food/485759ea-8507-4af7-9efe-bf61b...

Eat food, not too much, mostly unprocessed foods.

Re: Saturated fat: villain and bogeyman of cardiovascular disease?

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Post by hilbert42 »

feet wrote: post #15
hilbert42 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right. I don't put NaCl on anything I eat except perhaps fries which I'd only have a few times a year yet I reckon I consume considerably more than 2.4g a day. It's put in every conceivable thing we eat that we don't cook ourselves. Either we become obsessive home cooking fanatic or we exceed that limit.

Personally I track my nutrients with cronometer and I make 70% of my food from scratch by meal prepping and I don't add table salt to anything. If I don't use salt when seasoning my chicken my sodium intake is around 1g per day Is it really considered obsessive to cook meals yourself? That sounds so bizarre to me

No it's not. But one has to be obsessive if one's to keep the salt below 2.4g and do so every day!

For me, cooking is a chore however I eat mostly at home. Two issues: almost everything other than vegetables has salt it, even packs of herbs. OK, I can run without condiments and herbs of any kind but it's damn boring. The other issue: you tell me how one can cook for a family and keep the food salt-free.

They wouldn't stand for it. Riot time, anyone?

Edit: the key issue here is lowering the consumption of salt across the whole population. You obviously like cooking and that's fine. But look at the stats, people not only in the US but all over the world are eating out more than ever, cafe culture seems to have taken over the world.

The moment you eat out you've lost control over the salt content.

Re: Saturated fat: villain and bogeyman of cardiovascular disease?

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hilbert42 wrote: post #18
feet wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally I track my nutrients with cronometer and I make 70% of my food from scratch by meal prepping and I don't add table salt to anything. If I don't use salt when seasoning my chicken my sodium intake is around 1g per day Is it really considered obsessive to cook meals yourself? That sounds so bizarre to me

No it's not. But one has to be obsessive if one's to keep the salt below 2.4g and do so every day! For me, cooking is a chore however I eat mostly at home. Two issues: almost everything other than vegetables has salt it, even packs of herbs. OK, I can run without condiments and herbs of any kind but it's damn boring. The other issue: you tell me how one can cook for a family and keep the food salt-free. They wouldn't…

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Re: Saturated fat: villain and bogeyman of cardiovascular disease?

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Post by nikolay »

That crook Ancel Keys - he's behind so much chronic diseases and obesity - all to please political agendas - he himself didn't stop eating beef after his "research" or better yet - deliberate scientific fraud! I can't believe people still buy nonfat and low-fat milk!
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