Kiwi Farms is down across all domains as DDoS-Guard terminates service

Post by sealeck » Mon, Sep 05, 2022, 10:11 PM UTC

dcow wrote: post #224

nemo44x wrote: post #28

Real principled stance there from their CEO - 3 days to totally flip-flop? I mean, if your stance is we will ban content we arbitrarily find bad then just state it as such. Put into your agreement terms precisely what is and isn’t allowed. Be consistent. This “conflicted” act makes them look weak and of questionable leadership. Either take a principled stance on speech or put into your terms how you censor speech.

Big companies regress to the mean. It’s especially sad to watch it slowly happen to CF over the years.

Post by philosopher1234 » Mon, Sep 05, 2022, 10:14 PM UTC

cowtools wrote: post #498

KptMarchewa wrote: post #477

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> This is not reddit, calm down on the snark and try to actually have a discussion if you're gonna go for it. Like the slippery slope of dropping terrorist harrasser site being "extremely scary" is actually an attempt of discussion, right?

You could call any politically-adjacent forum a "terrorist harasser" site. Is Wikileaks not a "terrorist harasser site" in the 9/11-era rhetoric?

Post by _vvaw » Mon, Sep 05, 2022, 10:17 PM UTC

ChicagoDave wrote: post #659

_vvaw wrote: post #548

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In terms of SWATing, harassment, and "driving people to suicide" this is a false impression, one that is intentionally spread by the site's detractors. SWATing and harassment is strictly banned on Kiwi Farms. The site owner aggressively removes such posts and cooperates with law enforcement. The leader of the campaign to take down Kiwi Farms is Keffals, a transsexual Twitch streamer with a large underage audience. Ki…

Got five kids. If any of them were trans, I'd support them connecting with whatever community they could find. Some people were born into the wrong body and most kids know it immediately. The dysphoria can happen early. I'm sure there are some kids that make mistakes and try hormone therapy because they think it will make them feel better. The list of reasons they might do this are long and many are related to abuse…

Post by Georgelemental » Mon, Sep 05, 2022, 10:19 PM UTC

atoav wrote: post #665

Georgelemental wrote: post #368

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> What if the freedom of speech you are defending is impeding on the right of others to speak freely? How is the impediment happening? If through the threat of violent or illegal action , then that should be illegal. If it's libel (false statement, made while knowing and believing that it is false, with intent to harm), then maybe it should be illegal too. Otherwise, it's protected speech.

As you might have read, I am european. Threats of violence can be illegal here. I did not seek to explain the US flavour of freedom of speech here, I sought to explain a limitation on it I grew up with and why I think it produces a (to me) desirable outcome. Whether a thing is legal or not doesn't mean everything that stays within the legal bounds is desirable as a society or morally, ethically just. Many of the most…

Post by tsol » Mon, Sep 05, 2022, 10:24 PM UTC

sealeck wrote: post #814

cowtools wrote: post #806

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I don't think the goal of KF is to de-platform individuals, but merely to discredit them by publishing demeaning information and rumors about them. So they are categorically different: one side is pro-free-speech, and the other side is pro-censorship. "Doxxing" doesn't restrict someone else's free speech. It just discourages them from conducting speech under their public identity. If you ask me, what they ought to do…

> "Doxxing" doesn't restrict someone else's free speech. It just discourages them from conducting speech under their public identity. That is restricting their ability to speak freely - now they have to hide their identity for fear of physical violence!!!