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Post by birdboy2000 »

Y-bar wrote: post #9
8b16380d wrote: post #6

Stallman is right again…

> Hosting providers MUST be forced to provide a platform for everyone and anyone against the will of the provider. It SHALL NOT matter how many people their customers brag about driving to suicide. Nor should the hosting provider take into consideration harassment campaigns orchestrated by users of their platforms. -- Stallman, probably? /endsarcasm

I want content-neutral infrastructure. KF are scum and much of what they do should be illegal, but I want those decisions made in a court of law where they can defend themselves, not by whoever got in the ear of the right tech CEO. Platforms aren't people and shouldn't have rights.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

cowtools wrote: post #440
amatecha wrote: post #377

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Right? Thoughts and prayers for this service that has the express purpose of instigating and facilitating targeted abuse, doxxing and other harmful crimes. Get some perspective please.

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> since when is "doxxing" a crime?

The focus on doxxing is odd. There were SWATs. There were credible bomb threats. Since when is there a public obligation to sell your work to domestic terrorists?

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

TeeMassive wrote: post #448
amatecha wrote: post #377

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Right? Thoughts and prayers for this service that has the express purpose of instigating and facilitating targeted abuse, doxxing and other harmful crimes. Get some perspective please.

> this service that has the express purpose of instigating and facilitating targeted abuse Source?

There have been loads of recent articles and posts on HN about the type of content Kiwifarms hosts and promotes, easily findable from the HN search bar. Even people who disagree with Cloudflare's actions aren't debating the odiousness of Kiwifarms' content.

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Post by ratsmack »

cauefcr wrote: post #389
ALittleLight wrote: post #263

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Even if that were true, and I think it's pretty doubtful to just attribute a suicide to some people who made fun of or harassed the deceased, it's a criminal or civil matter. If people on that forum committed a crime, let them face the legal penalties. Why should the website be made persona non grata by Internet companies? How many more are dead from activities on Facebook, Instagram, etc? Why is it that big business…

KF was made _for_ harassment, that's very different.

If you know that for a fact, maybe you can elaborate.

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Post by borski »

ratsmack wrote: post #514
bergenty wrote: post #423

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I’ve actually accepted and have come around to prefer a regulated internet. I actually don’t want my kid to be exposed to any information coming out of anyone except experts that are excepted at a societal level like we’ve had these past few decades. I like the status quo and that’s why I now identify as a conservative.

>I actually don’t want my kid to be exposed... We used to call this parenting. Censoring the internet at large because some people don't actively police their children's access is not a solution.

I don’t agree with the parent re: regulating the internet, but private companies are by no means beholden to host or support content they disagree with (or, moreover, that they believe is illegal).

If there is enough political will and enough people that want to support KF garbage, there are other providers out there, or they can build one.

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Post by bioemerl »

Snetry wrote: post #517
bioemerl wrote: post #281

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This ability to "deplatform" is also what allows fascist nations to exist and keeps Putin in power today in Russia.

No A good 'ol gun to the head does the same job for cheaper plus it takes care of the root of the problem

Guns don't work at scale for these things. You can't have a functioning society when the only thing keeping people in line is the threat of force.

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Post by antiufo »

tsimionescu wrote: post #364
antiufo wrote: post #290

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Trans woman here, both 1) access to HRT for minors and 2) HRT without medical/parental gatekeeping are widely supported positions in the trans community (which I also endorse). Rationale for 1. It's widely supported by the medical community and by scientific studies, and helps improve the quality of life of people with gender dysphoria. Rationale for 2. Gatekeeping traditionally consist in telling a psychiatrist anec…

Well, you're just wrong then, and the behavior you are encouraging is literally illegal in most of the world. And beyond legality, kids self-administering HRT with neither parental nor medical supervision is a truly scary thought. It is certain to leave most with significant health issues, that no amount of good will will help them solve.

What is supported by medical literature and law/bureaucracy are not necessarily aligned. Abortion also faces this problem.

Ideally yes you would want a GP to prescribe you HRT. But if in the place where you currently live this is not possible without years of gatekeeping, or parents have veto power, gray-market solutions are the next best possible alternative.

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Post by charcircuit »

_-david-_ wrote: post #392
WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #373

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> the future of the internet seems pretty sad... That’s frankly terrible. Sites infamous for promoting harassment can’t be hosted anymore. Clearly a tremendous loss for the internet. /s

What happens if another site that you consider completely legitimate can't be hosted just because others think it is not acceptable? Maybe your views are currently acceptable, but will they be in 5, 10, 20 years?

>Maybe your views are currently acceptable, but will they be in 5, 10, 20 years?

Not just that. It's views that anyone else on the site shares. Your community on a site can be destroyed by the actions of a completely separate community on the same site.

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Post by AndrewUnmuted »

1ris wrote: post #430
ALittleLight wrote: post #372

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It's not countable, but vastly more than three. There are civil wars and ethnic cleansing that get organized and supported on Facebook (e.g. Ethiopia and Myanmar). Gang violence and mass murder also get spread on Facebook. Nevermind the harassment and bullying that happens on Facebook, which is, of course, orders of magnitude more than what goes on on KF. It's just not very sensible to think that big companies care a…

Intent is the key ingredient to crime (or other behaviours society does not tolerate). You totally ignore this.

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Post by BlargMcLarg »

squeaky-clean wrote: post #473
hecatoncheires wrote: post #295

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Whoop tee doo. I've seen dozens of livestreamed murders on Instagram Live and Facebook Live. Reddit has /r/chiraqology where there are hundreds of videos of gang bangers and drill rappers beefing with each other and shooting at each other, and commenters celebrate the lifestyle and keep detailed ontologies of it all. Nobody is talking about nuking any of these platforms from existence just because of some isolated il…

Reddit nukes hate subs weekly. They're slow to get to it, but they do it. As far as Facebook live and Instagram live, those platforms weren't made with the sole purpose of harassing and doxxing people. Neither is reddit. When they find communities that promote those things they do take them down. Their moderation is slow and overwhelmed, but don't pretend Facebook encourages murders on live streams. KiwiFarms does en…

They nuke hate subs selectively. There are plenty of hate subs they leave online routinely and don't nuke.

Heck, there are plenty of anecdotes showing they bias towards keeping hate subs targeted at "majorities" alive, and have actively changed their ToS multiple times to discriminate between who they consider vulnerable.

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