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Re: Kiwi Farms is down across all domains as DDoS-Guard terminates service

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Post by philippejara » Mon, Sep 05, 2022, 7:22 PM UTC

prvit wrote: post #70

that_guy_iain wrote: post #41

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Didn't he previously say he took down the nazi site because they were saying that the reason they weren't taken down was that he agreed with them? That provides the sort of decision making process. Also, I find it hard to believe that a legal team would all of a sudden decide 3 days after they publically announce they wouldn't remove security services from a customer that one customer who has basically been the same…

He said he took down the Daily Stormer because they claimed to have friends at Cloudflare (which was true https://nitter.net/GossiTheDog/status/1565128386753843201 )

If you think screenshots of someone saying slurs in 2014 is evidence of someone being part of the daily stormer i'm afraid a lot more of the internet is a part of the daily stormer than you think.

The usage of weev's the trial is also pretty absurd and manipulative, given that his trial wasn't really related to the daily stormer, but about hacking, so much so that the EFF[0] defended him.

[0]: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/07/weevs-case-flawed-begi...

Re: Kiwi Farms is down across all domains as DDoS-Guard terminates service

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Post by theossuary » Mon, Sep 05, 2022, 7:23 PM UTC

nathanaldensr wrote: post #351

antiufo wrote: post #290

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Trans woman here, both 1) access to HRT for minors and 2) HRT without medical/parental gatekeeping are widely supported positions in the trans community (which I also endorse). Rationale for 1. It's widely supported by the medical community and by scientific studies, and helps improve the quality of life of people with gender dysphoria. Rationale for 2. Gatekeeping traditionally consist in telling a psychiatrist anec…

Your post, even with its edits, is gross. However, I must thank you for providing your words so that I may show my own two children about the dangers of belief systems such as yours.

Go for it. As a trans person who grew up with abusive parents who beat me instead of helping me with my gender identity, I wish I'd known of a way to start hrt sooner so I don't have to suffer now as a non-passing trans person.

But as they say, the cruelty is the point.

Re: Kiwi Farms is down across all domains as DDoS-Guard terminates service

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Post by tsimionescu » Mon, Sep 05, 2022, 7:23 PM UTC

breckenedge wrote: post #233

tsimionescu wrote: post #228

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So why are they not being prosecuted if it was a crime? DDoS is also a crime, and equates to mob justice at best in this case.

What mob is participating in this DDoS attack? Maybe vigilante justice is a more appropriate term.

Well, by definition almost a Distributed DoS attack implies some kind of mob. Now, it could conceivably be some rich individual illegally paying money to an illegal botnet, but it could also very well be a larger group of people conspiring to illegally pool their money to buy time on an illegal botnet. It could also theoretically be a large group of people illegally conspiring to attack the site directly using their own machines.

Re: Kiwi Farms is down across all domains as DDoS-Guard terminates service

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Post by birdboy2000 » Mon, Sep 05, 2022, 7:23 PM UTC

ceejayoz wrote: post #221

systemvoltage wrote: post #210

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Speak for yourself. Speech is ingrained in American culture on both aisles of the political spectrum until last 5-10 years. It’s way beyond 1st amendment and the technicalities of Government limits. ACLU used to defend KKK’s right to march and express. Liberals used to be extremely pro free speech even reaching across the spectrum in the bowels of right-wing extremism to protect their rights. The fact of the matter i…

> Speech is ingrained in American culture on both aisles of the political spectrum until last 5-10 years. Death threats, fraud, harassment, libel, and other harmful forms of speech have had legal consequences for much longer than that.

then prosecute them, don't let corporate monopolies play judge, jury, and executioner

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Post by yanderekko » Mon, Sep 05, 2022, 7:24 PM UTC

squeaky-clean wrote: post #485

yanderekko wrote: post #358

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People who have threads on KiwiFarms have (allegedly) committed suicide. That's about all that's required to attribute each death causally to KiwiFarms. It's an incredibly weak standard.

KiwiFarms members often don't just take notes of those they laugh at. They actively get involved in harassing them, online, through the phone and in person.

So was this the case for any of the people who actually committed suicide in a way that establishes a reasonable causal nexus? My impression is that the answer is "no".

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Post by ivraatiems » Mon, Sep 05, 2022, 7:24 PM UTC

bergenty wrote: post #427

ivraatiems wrote: post #390

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Did you ever watch 12 Angry Men ? There's a scene in that movie where an unabashedly racist man is making his point as loudly and angrily as he can. One by one, all the others in the room turn their backs on him. When only one man is left, that man has a short message for the racist: "Sit down, and don't open your mouth again while I'm here." Nobody puts him in jail. Nobody takes away his right to make a living or hi…

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Gets riled up and does a lynching of... the white person?

I'm not following you.

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Post by ivraatiems » Mon, Sep 05, 2022, 7:24 PM UTC

mikl wrote: post #453

ivraatiems wrote: post #390

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Did you ever watch 12 Angry Men ? There's a scene in that movie where an unabashedly racist man is making his point as loudly and angrily as he can. One by one, all the others in the room turn their backs on him. When only one man is left, that man has a short message for the racist: "Sit down, and don't open your mouth again while I'm here." Nobody puts him in jail. Nobody takes away his right to make a living or hi…

DDoS’ing is quite different from just turning your back on someone. It’s more akin to following someone around with a megaphone and shouting over everything they say so no one can hear them. Sure, you might celebrate when that’s done to someone you dislike, but a lot less appealing if you imagine it done to a cause you agree with.

I am not saying people should be allowed to DDoS anyone, including Kiwi Farms, from a legality perspective. Illegal things are still illegal.

I am saying that companies which provide protection services shouldn't extend them to Kiwi Farms because they are societally not worth protecting.

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Post by intrasight » Mon, Sep 05, 2022, 7:25 PM UTC

Those people are free to go and meet somewhere in private. That is how it used to be done. That approach does not require using services that you do not control. Except for regulated monopoly utilities, most everyone else has the freedom to not be a vendor.

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Post by judge2020 » Mon, Sep 05, 2022, 7:25 PM UTC

Claude_Shannon wrote: post #424

I am really not surprised. They already bullied someone to death. https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/o90ats/near_the_emul...

Slightly related, but why would Archive admins exclude near.sh from the wayback machine? https://web.archive.org/web/20220000000000*/https://near.sh

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Post by birdboy2000 » Mon, Sep 05, 2022, 7:25 PM UTC

bglazer wrote: post #275

systemvoltage wrote: post #210

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Speak for yourself. Speech is ingrained in American culture on both aisles of the political spectrum until last 5-10 years. It’s way beyond 1st amendment and the technicalities of Government limits. ACLU used to defend KKK’s right to march and express. Liberals used to be extremely pro free speech even reaching across the spectrum in the bowels of right-wing extremism to protect their rights. The fact of the matter i…

No, the censorship is not through the “proxy of corporations”, it’s directly instituted by corporations. It’s simply company leadership deciding they don’t want noxious people in their private club anymore. Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences. If you start talking and everyone tells you to shut up, then tough shit, you live in a society that doesn't like what you’re saying. This has always been the cas…

A lot of marginalized groups (or at least their loudest activists) used the internet to organize and then pulled the ladder up behind them, and I don't want to live a society where only a few tech billionaires get a vote. Cloudflare is not "society" but a specific for-profit corporation located in a specific part of the world, just like google and amazon and reddit.