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In Response to SOPA, Reddit Meshnet Project picks up steam

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Re: In Response to SOPA, Reddit Meshnet Project picks up steam

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post #5

No offense to the "reddit meshnet project", but the last I checked (this could have changed) what they're proposing isn't possible with the team that they have right now. There are a couple of problems: 1) They don't have a solid hardware platform to work on, and the feeling I've gotten from talking to some of the people on /r/darknetplan is that they really don't have the proper understanding of wireless tech to mak…

The problem we are definitely running into is that as a crowdsourced project, we have a lot of people who don't know what they're talking about. However, we have a small subset that do (myself not included, I'm more aiming to get the ball rolling than anything) and have been hard at work on the project. There is a lot more noise than signal right now, but that will change as a more solid technological platform for local mesh networks arises. Once we have a basic platform we will begin to address issues such as the addressing and other scaling issues.

So I guess my final point is that we ARE working on a hardware platform and then we will work to make this accessible to the average person on /r/darknetplan . There are hurdles, there are idiots, but we are working on it and I don't think it is safe to call the project failed until we've had a chance to actually try.

Re: In Response to SOPA, Reddit Meshnet Project picks up steam

#12
It's too bad that the people who perennially propose adaptive mesh radios as some sort of decentralized alternative to public wired networks never consult anyone that has actually worked with mesh on any scale. If they did they'd quickly look for some other solution. I thought Greenberg was a real journalist, what's happened to fact checking?

Re: In Response to SOPA, Reddit Meshnet Project picks up steam

#13
post #5

No offense to the "reddit meshnet project", but the last I checked (this could have changed) what they're proposing isn't possible with the team that they have right now. There are a couple of problems: 1) They don't have a solid hardware platform to work on, and the feeling I've gotten from talking to some of the people on /r/darknetplan is that they really don't have the proper understanding of wireless tech to mak…

Hit the nail on the head. There are a ton of very enthusiastic people there who collectively have very little technical knowledge.

Re: In Response to SOPA, Reddit Meshnet Project picks up steam

#14
post #12

It's too bad that the people who perennially propose adaptive mesh radios as some sort of decentralized alternative to public wired networks never consult anyone that has actually worked with mesh on any scale. If they did they'd quickly look for some other solution. I thought Greenberg was a real journalist, what's happened to fact checking?

"If it wasn't for those damned laws of physics always screwing up my plans..." basically. Mesh networks have a pretty hard constraint of k/n^2 bandwidth total where k is an average node's bandwidth and n is the number of nodes. You quickly get down into the 'bytes per second' range.

Re: In Response to SOPA, Reddit Meshnet Project picks up steam

#15
post #12

It's too bad that the people who perennially propose adaptive mesh radios as some sort of decentralized alternative to public wired networks never consult anyone that has actually worked with mesh on any scale. If they did they'd quickly look for some other solution. I thought Greenberg was a real journalist, what's happened to fact checking?

"If it wasn't for those damned laws of physics always screwing up my plans..." basically. Mesh networks have a pretty hard constraint of k/n^2 bandwidth total where k is an average node's bandwidth and n is the number of nodes. You quickly get down into the 'bytes per second' range.

This interests me, but I can't find a paper - stuff like "mesh network bandwidth" simply don't work on scholar. Any chance of a citation?

Re: In Response to SOPA, Reddit Meshnet Project picks up steam

#16
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At this point, it really is a collection of hobbyists who want to help but can't offer much, however every day we acquire one or two more skilled, dedicated engineers/techs to help. IRC user Tanuki is currently running a meshnet project in Australia with 150 users over 200 KM. He was just offered satellite time for distant sites!

Over 200K what?

Sorry, over 200 kilometers. I should have put km.

Re: In Response to SOPA, Reddit Meshnet Project picks up steam

#17
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"If it wasn't for those damned laws of physics always screwing up my plans..." basically. Mesh networks have a pretty hard constraint of k/n^2 bandwidth total where k is an average node's bandwidth and n is the number of nodes. You quickly get down into the 'bytes per second' range.

This interests me, but I can't find a paper - stuff like "mesh network bandwidth" simply don't work on scholar. Any chance of a citation?

I think this may be because no one has attempted it on a scale where it is essentially cripplingly slow.
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