Kiwifarm's owner statement: https://web.archive.org/web/20220905182626/https://poa.st/no... This whole thing is kinda fascinating, if not extremely scary. After learning about the situation from the last couple threads here and going down the rabbit hole of sources, the future of the internet seems pretty sad... If cloudflare doesn't reinstate the website after dealing with said immediate danger they claimed was the…
Kiwi Farms is down across all domains as DDoS-Guard terminates service
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My headcanon is that Price wanted to take a stand, but the legal team actually took a better look at the situation because of the pressure and had a long meeting, explaining to him why it's a really bad idea. I hope we learn what really happened in a few years. Reason: twice I sent messages directly to appropriate teams at (large-companies) with something like "are you aware of what your ceo is doing at (link)" which…
The problem is the site got named in a swatting attack on a GOP House member. That ups the stakes a bit and probably made providing a DDOS service for kiwifarms problematic.
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> Speech is ingrained in American culture on both aisles of the political spectrum until last 5-10 years. Death threats, fraud, harassment, libel, and other harmful forms of speech have had legal consequences for much longer than that.
So we don't need Cloud Flare or Facebook deciding whose speech is bad, we can use the court system.
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#445I didn't know about this site until yesterday. After reading the thread that got them took down, I know one thing, I will not be letting my children near discord. I mean, if this is how people act in public[0], I hate to imagine what kind of stuff they are doing in a private discord, away from parents prying eyes. There's no heroes in this story. [0] Bathtub hormones being sold to minors in bright packaging featuring…
This seems to be a hazardous approach to me.
My young son recently installed a sketchy browser on his computer while trying to install a mod installer for a game. I check on his computer every so often to make sure he's being safe, and noticed the browser. So I asked him where he got it, because he had obviously been using it and it was set to default. He told me it came with some mod installer he installed. So I told him about the checkboxes on install wizards that sometimes install bundled adware and malware. It was a good conversation and he asked questions about what spyware looks for and what the information they collect could be used for. He is now prepared for when this inevitably happens again. He watched me uninstall the browser and click through all the dark patterns in the uninstall process, and commented on how hard they make it to remove this stuff. I also looked at the website where he got his mod loader and, while I'm never thrilled about proprietary Windows binaries, it looks reputable within the community.
Now I feel pretty confident that my son will be more careful when installing things. If I just arbitrarily put some restrictions on his usage of the computer I'm not really preparing him for anything. I'm just delaying his development of skills that he's going to need later. I could either monitor and guide him now, or he could struggle on his own later. You can shield your kids and leave their curiosity to fester and turn into resentment, or you can use their curiosity to impart your wisdom.
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#446Kiwifarm's owner statement: https://web.archive.org/web/20220905182626/https://poa.st/no... This whole thing is kinda fascinating, if not extremely scary. After learning about the situation from the last couple threads here and going down the rabbit hole of sources, the future of the internet seems pretty sad... If cloudflare doesn't reinstate the website after dealing with said immediate danger they claimed was the…
This wasn't just due to Twitter outrage. People are actually being targeted and harmed through this site. Hate and harm are not covered under free speech.
Nobody is required to provide a platform for this.
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#447Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm a free speech advocate but 100% agree with you. Our legislators needs to make laws against targeted, anonymous, non-journalistic doxxing. It needs to include clauses that escalate the severity when revenge porn or racial, sexual, or other discrimination is being incited. If this bullying results in suicide, that should also increase the severity of the crime. Until these laws exist, prosecutors need to use this a…
Non-journalistic doxxing? What makes doxxing someone journalistic and why is it okay when a journalist does it?
- leader of a mafia
- any government leader
- billionaires in general
- anyone in a position of power
Investigating their crimes and doxxing them is very different from "lmao look at this piece of shit loser, let's bully it to death".
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> the future of the internet seems pretty sad... That’s frankly terrible. Sites infamous for promoting harassment can’t be hosted anymore. Clearly a tremendous loss for the internet. /s
Right? Thoughts and prayers for this service that has the express purpose of instigating and facilitating targeted abuse, doxxing and other harmful crimes. Get some perspective please.
Source?
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#449Kiwifarm's owner statement: https://web.archive.org/web/20220905182626/https://poa.st/no... This whole thing is kinda fascinating, if not extremely scary. After learning about the situation from the last couple threads here and going down the rabbit hole of sources, the future of the internet seems pretty sad... If cloudflare doesn't reinstate the website after dealing with said immediate danger they claimed was the…
This wasn't just due to Twitter outrage. People are actually being targeted and harmed through this site. Hate and harm are not covered under free speech.
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> Didn't he previously say he took down the nazi site because they were saying that the reason they weren't taken down was that he agreed with them? And about that decision, he said this: > Let me be clear: this was an arbitrary decision. It was different than what I’d talked talked with our senior team about yesterday. I woke up this morning in a bad mood and decided to kick them off the Internet. I called our legal…
I wonder if he's actually so delusional to think that he's got the power to decide what goes on the internet, or if this is just something Cloudflare marketing is trying to push to make them seem like the only option anyone could possibly work with.
This is kind of dubious as a basic ethical position (if you think it’s bad just don’t do it) but note that it’s not entirely ridiculous as if it’s legal, others can and will pressure you to do it. Whereas if you cede the right to do a thing, you can’t be coerced by an angry mob to do it.