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Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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> Do you want criminal prosecution for actual harm, or for potential harm? Do you only want DUI to be illegal if it results in an accident?

Then who do we crucify as a criminal for HeartBleed? Or Spectre? Gosh, the potential harm those could have done!

Nobody. None of those have any such obvious signs of negligence.

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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I was checking out the Android competition ahead of the iPhone 14 announcement and I was shocked that all of the flagships seem to have major usability complaints. I always thought that the UX might be a little worse, but Android would be ahead on hardware (battery, camera, etc). I thought the whole carriers doing updates and all that would have been fixed by now, but it seems like only Pixel has. What is keeping peo…

1. I can actually get files on my phone (usb without itunes, apps can bring their own sync, dropbox works as well as drive, etc) 2. I can sideload whatever I want. Emulators, disallowed apps, etc. 3. Real terminal with ssh, ability to install packages, etc 4. Not locked in to iMessage, iTunes, Apple Music, Safari 5. Some apps that use plugins can only run on Android. Those are right out on iOS.

How Apple Music is locked in?

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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If you want good stock Android phones, I believe Pixel & Chinese brands are only game in town.

I don't really care about 'stock', tbh. It just needs to run the apps I want to run, and it's nice if it can also take decent photos. I would also strongly prefer for it to preserve my privacy, but I realize that's kind of a wash between Google and Apple.

> but I realize that's kind of a wash between Google and Apple.

That's an unusual take.

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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I agree the headline is exaggerated, but 3% of the NA market is quite significant. It's no longer a fringe device such as Jolla in the EU market.

Hardware needs scale to be profitable and successful. 3% of the NA market is not scale.

And USA is only 4% of the world population... ;)

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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The repeated negligence around the handling of Android bugs related to emergency calls should result in criminal prosecution. It's unlikely that actual people weren't hurt because of these bugs. They have known about these issues for years, and they continue to give them the importance of an unresponsive button in Gmail settings. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29492884 https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comme…

I got a Pixel6 in July. Aside from the camera, it is by far the worst phone I've ever owned. I probably experience at least 4 or 5 major crashes every day where the phone becomes unresponsive for a few seconds. Up until now, I've been able to live with the bugs as a moderate inconvenience, but now that I know I could potentially die because of Google's complete lack of QA, I'm going to ditch the phone right away. I'l…

return it, it's broken - it shouldn't behave like this. Don't live with these bugs

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Interesting, this is why I switched from android to apple ~ 5 years ago. I was expecting a very important phone call for the outcome of the surgery of a person very close to me. The smartphone, the Samsung galaxy S7 edge, finally rang, and I was trying to answer the the call, but no, android was doing something more important in the background, the whole UI was frozen and the phone call banner was not responding to t…

After using Android for 10 years, a similar experience made me switch. I'd just bought a Pixel 5, and I received a call from a pizza delivery driver. I say I received a call because the phone rang. Otherwise I'd never have known. The UI didn't show it at all, even though it was responsive, and the missed call log section never populated. Nothing except the ringer sound. The next day I switched to iPhone and have neve…

> Like, if my phone can't receive calls

Do you not remember the iPhone 4, which couldn't be held in your hand while taking a phone call?

The iPhone 8 I was given by a client wasn't perfect either. It would regularly miss notifications - even direct pings in messaging apps - then spam many at once 3-4 hours later. I was never able to fix it, so the phone was just a paperweight with a 2FA app on it.

I've certainly had more problems with Apple devices (Macbooks & iPhones) in my experience, and I'm glad I now work somewhere where we all get Linux laptops and are not forced into dealing with Apple's locked down and underwhelming software.

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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> It seems that nobody cares at Google. My dystopian response is that they know if you're going 'all in' on their branded phone you are either geeky enough to deal with it, or drank too much kool-aid to care.

> if you're going 'all in' on their branded phone This inference doesn't make any sense. The Pixel isn't some weird niche project. The Pixel and the Galaxy SXX are perennials on the lists you find from a cursory "best android phone" Google query. This is about as casual as it gets, beyond walking into a Best Buy or Verizon and asking for an Android phone (which will also steer you to these two phones pretty often, as…

> This is about as casual as it gets

As casual as it gets ... in 11 countries out of 195. And even in countries where it is sold, it's usually online-only with no physical stores or service centers.

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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High-end Samsung phones are the only reason I'm still on Android. Google (Pixel), One Plus, Huawei, and most other Android phone designers/manufacturers have not been able to reach Samsung/Apple quality for the past five or more years.

In my opinion newer Sony Xperia androids are okay-ish too, I am happy. They are closer to stock android though and may look less fancy. Samsung is very polished and consistent even during major Android version changes.

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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...check their git repo's issues? Take 30 seconds and ask in the channel? Due diligence and personal responsibility for what is likely your most important computing device, instead of contracting that out to firms who would stab their grandmother to improve their quarterly numbers.

If Google, with their army of engineers, hasn’t been able to track this bug down, why would I expect a team of volunteers to have done so? They do their own customizations, but it’s still based on AOSP. To be clear, this is not meant to disparage the GrapheneOS devs, but there’s an obvious difference in available resources, so I don’t really expect them to fix hard-to-find bugs in AOSP.

Well, then you don't understand the incentives at play, yet.

You don't know what you're missing, stability-wise!

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