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Post by that_guy_iain »

ohCh6zos wrote: post #189
that_guy_iain wrote: post #45

The thing is, it's hard to feel bad for kiwifarms. They seem to be one of the worst sites there are. But freedom of speech/expression/opinions aren't about defending those who speech/expression/opinions you like but all of them. Personally, I think the site being shutdown is a good thing. But it's hard to look at the fact a few corporations can remove a website from the internet and think this is good for a free and…

It appears that there is no plan for this to stop with Kiwifarms, some twitter searches lead me to believe Ovarit and Mumsnet are the next targets.

I remember when the public image of Mumsnet was all warm and friendly and Mums looking out for each other and all of a sudden every time I hear about them it's because they've gone on a rager againist some poor person whose greatest crime is that they decided they wanted a sex change.

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Post by leereeves »

shadowgovt wrote: post #181
concordDance wrote: post #67

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I treat these sites as cannaries. As long as they exist I can be confident that censorship isn't too bad, as they start to get shut down I start to worry. First the came for the X and I was not an X etc etc...

That X is not a variable in an infinite domain. "First they came for the Nazis" is how World War II could be described (1), and with the exception of a few misguided sympathizers the story ends well with the destruction of their power structure and hanging of their leadership. Probably worth noting that among the reasons KF just lost their newest DDoS protector is that many Russians are understandably sensitive to Na…

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Post by tomohawk »

Borgz wrote: post #32
tomohawk wrote: post #23

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Maybe if they decide to become platforms exclusively dedicated to harrassment, stop prohibiting and removing that type of content, and actively encourage it. Until then, it doesn't seem likely.

I've never been to kiwifarms, but I'll take your word that you find them morally reprehensible. Isn't it more morally reprehensible (and just counterproductive) to take away people's rights?

It seems that the bigger threat by far is from companies like Twitter, Facebook, and Google working hand-in-glove with politicians to take away peoples rights.

If removing these companies from the internet seems impossible, maybe that is a sign that they are more powerful than the US federal government, and that their power needs to be curtailed.

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Post by ohCh6zos »

noasaservice wrote: post #97
concordDance wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I treat these sites as cannaries. As long as they exist I can be confident that censorship isn't too bad, as they start to get shut down I start to worry. First the came for the X and I was not an X etc etc...

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If freedom of speech doesn't protect Kiwifarms I don't see why we should put up with sex workers either. Either we should defend speech we don't like or we should make the world a better place.

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Post by _dain_ »

sgarland wrote: post #155
_dain_ wrote: post #48

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> the driving-people-to-suicide thing is a lie. Here's a former FBI Asst. Dir. asserting that they do [0] (archive link in case it's removed [1]). I'll grant you that the government can and has lied, but all of this seems a lot like one side full of tremendously shitty people saying they're not guilty, and the other side saying the opposite. In the absence of definitive proof, I'll go with character. [0] https://twit…

He's just repeating what he read on wikipedia. I really doubt he looked closely into the matter.

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Post by that_guy_iain »

Zamaamiro wrote: post #182
concordDance wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I treat these sites as cannaries. As long as they exist I can be confident that censorship isn't too bad, as they start to get shut down I start to worry. First the came for the X and I was not an X etc etc...

What about the freedom of speech of all those they harass and dox?

Their freedom of speech isn't being denied is it? Their right to a peaceful life is being infridged but not their freedom of speech.

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Post by rosmax_1337 »

They should consider building their own DDOS protection. I've heard thats pretty simple and something website owners should be expected to do on their own. After all, it's not like most website owners rally behind like one or two giant services to mitigate the issue of DDOS against their sites.

I for one never voted to have CF and DDoS-Guard as censors of the internet.

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Post by space_fountain »

that_guy_iain wrote: post #206
Zamaamiro wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about the freedom of speech of all those they harass and dox?

Their freedom of speech isn't being denied is it? Their right to a peaceful life is being infridged but not their freedom of speech.

It literally is since the harassment is often in response to speech with either the implicit or explicit goal to intimidate the speech into stopping

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Post by wesleywt »

that_guy_iain wrote: post #45

The thing is, it's hard to feel bad for kiwifarms. They seem to be one of the worst sites there are. But freedom of speech/expression/opinions aren't about defending those who speech/expression/opinions you like but all of them. Personally, I think the site being shutdown is a good thing. But it's hard to look at the fact a few corporations can remove a website from the internet and think this is good for a free and…

Do you support sites like Kiwifarms that try and attack the freedoms of others?

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Post by systemvoltage »

zamalek wrote: post #177
that_guy_iain wrote: post #45

The thing is, it's hard to feel bad for kiwifarms. They seem to be one of the worst sites there are. But freedom of speech/expression/opinions aren't about defending those who speech/expression/opinions you like but all of them. Personally, I think the site being shutdown is a good thing. But it's hard to look at the fact a few corporations can remove a website from the internet and think this is good for a free and…

> But freedom of speech/expression/opinions aren't about defending those who speech/expression/opinions you like but all of them. This is not true at all, and educating yourself on the matter is trivial. "Free speech absolutism" is a very niche, unpopular, and unrealistic (some forms of speech ultimately limit other's speech, e.g. the dead don't speak) form of free speech. Spreading this pro-KF propaganda needs to st…

Speak for yourself. Speech is ingrained in American culture on both aisles of the political spectrum until last 5-10 years. It’s way beyond 1st amendment and the technicalities of Government limits.

ACLU used to defend KKK’s right to march and express. Liberals used to be extremely pro free speech even reaching across the spectrum in the bowels of right-wing extremism to protect their rights.

The fact of the matter is that speech and generally liberty is one generation away from being dismantled and eroded. If the newer generation wants to abolish it and institute an authoritarian style censorship, they’ll get an American equivalent of CCP censorship, but through proxy of corporations. All buttons and knobs are in place with Big Tech. It just needs following.

The fall of speech rights in the west is a recent phenomenon and America appears to be the last bastion fighting for it. COVID was the last straw that broke camel’s back for places like Canada and New Zealand.

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