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Post by manicdee »

concordDance wrote: post #133
noasaservice wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I think you're being gullible here. Look at what was actually on that site and the many others that have been shut down rather than relying on reports from their enemies (oh wait, the whole point is to make it so you can't do this). When this hit Hacker news I actually went onto kiwifarms to find out what it was like because I suspected it would be killed soon. The descriptions given by most hackernews commentators d…

Right, because they would let someone who created an account in the last month or two and has no presence into their hunting lobby?

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Post by raxxorraxor »

concordDance wrote: post #67
that_guy_iain wrote: post #45

The thing is, it's hard to feel bad for kiwifarms. They seem to be one of the worst sites there are. But freedom of speech/expression/opinions aren't about defending those who speech/expression/opinions you like but all of them. Personally, I think the site being shutdown is a good thing. But it's hard to look at the fact a few corporations can remove a website from the internet and think this is good for a free and…

I treat these sites as cannaries. As long as they exist I can be confident that censorship isn't too bad, as they start to get shut down I start to worry. First the came for the X and I was not an X etc etc...

They also provide a good counter to propaganda. You don't have to believe you get Covid chipped or in evil lizard people to see serious and concerning displays of media propaganda. And yes, it is US corporations in cooperation with government far more than the Russians on the English speaking net. There is just as much propaganda in Russia in Russian of course.

It is just the usual type of propaganda and works even more effectively as it did in the past.

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Post by Mezzie »

concordDance wrote: post #133
noasaservice wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I think you're being gullible here. Look at what was actually on that site and the many others that have been shut down rather than relying on reports from their enemies (oh wait, the whole point is to make it so you can't do this). When this hit Hacker news I actually went onto kiwifarms to find out what it was like because I suspected it would be killed soon. The descriptions given by most hackernews commentators d…

I've lurked on KF with an empty account for a couple of years. (I have an interest in niche drama and as a lesbian, trans drama is pushed into any space for lesbians ANYWAY).

I didn't see brigading, but I did see doxxing.

And of course the whole thing is a mentally-toxic nut-picking echo chamber, but that's kind of par for the course on the modern Web.

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Post by raxxorraxor »

Bakary wrote: post #130
armitron wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not hard to feel bad for anyone getting censored/booted off the Internet. I see that "Gossithedog" lives in England, which - I reckon - makes it impossible for him to understand the value of free speech. The US is one of few countries on the planet where "freedom of speech" is a protected right (a list that doesn't include England). We're collectively worse off when the pitchforks come out and the mob allowed to…

I often hear this argument, but the US is currently on a much clearer trajectory towards increased authoritarianism than most EU countries/CANZUK despite all of this freedom. The situation is more complicated than just straightforward definitions of what freedom is. What really matters is not edge cases where some forum or other is banned, but whether your society is populated with authoritarian ideologies and to wha…

In the US the government just ask corporations to censor content and they comply. Activists will spout their usual XKCD-interpretations of free speech, which is legally correct, but heavily fails to see the larger picture.

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Post by flumpcakes »

Canada wrote: post #149

It's an interesting problem - designing a basic forum that can survive DDoS attacks without a centralized protector such as cloudflare.

A simple web server can hold millions of connections. With some smart caching you could serve a wide audience. If the DDOS is big enough you will max out your 1GB/s line - I'm not sure on ways around that. Even blocking ranges on your router won't fix it.

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Post by sp332 »

pjc50 wrote: post #109
sp332 wrote: post #102

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It's not the speech that people are objecting to, it's the part where they get people killed.

.. by speech. The whole thing relies on the loose causality of stochastic terrorism. It's a bit like the Nuremberg trials "only gave orders" defense, except they're not even orders, just innuendo - it's just spreading smear material and a general attitude of hate among a fractious, isolated and angry audience. A makes the post. B makes a fake phone call to the police. Cop C arrives and pulls the trigger. All in diffe…

Are you saying B is not a forum member? Because I'm pretty sure the people ordering pizza to targets are getting their info directly from the site.

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Post by deepcyanide »

DFHippie wrote: post #131

This, I think, is a useful perspective for all those here talking about free speech: https://slate.com/technology/2022/09/kiwi-farms-cloudlfare-a... The point is that if you're using your speech to silence people, not by disproving their arguments but through terror and the destruction of their reputation and social network, when you silence people by lying about them, your speech is a threat to free speech. By prote…

I don't see kiwifarms trying to silence keffals, I 100% see the reverse happening unless archiving keffals public statement about giving children drugs you aren't authorized to provide to anyone is somehow censorship.

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Post by tchaffee »

concordDance wrote: post #133
noasaservice wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

I think you're being gullible here. Look at what was actually on that site and the many others that have been shut down rather than relying on reports from their enemies (oh wait, the whole point is to make it so you can't do this). When this hit Hacker news I actually went onto kiwifarms to find out what it was like because I suspected it would be killed soon. The descriptions given by most hackernews commentators d…

> I saw no organised harassment, doxing, brigading

Didn't see it so it must not exist? That's the kind of "research" everyone should ignore.

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Post by ok123456 »

8jy89hui wrote: post #153

https://blog.cloudflare.com/kiwifarms-blocked/ The cloudflare blog is a better resource on this topic.

Not really. Just allusions to bad things. The actual response from the site owner showed that it was likely an agent provocateur who used a dormant account, and then posted a screenshot to twitter. The post in question was deleted by staff within minutes.
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