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It's an interesting problem - designing a basic forum that can survive DDoS attacks without a centralized protector such as cloudflare.

They might look into a federated server + p2p content exchange architecture like notabug.io was building for a few years.

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Something I'm curious about in this whole thing: who is DDoSing kiwifarms? Most people find their content reprehensible but does that usually translate into people DDoSing something?

People pay for DDOS for the stupidest reasons, one of my favorite game servers have been under constant DDOS attack because they changed their discord icon in support of Ukraine.

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This, I think, is a useful perspective for all those here talking about free speech: https://slate.com/technology/2022/09/kiwi-farms-cloudlfare-a... The point is that if you're using your speech to silence people, not by disproving their arguments but through terror and the destruction of their reputation and social network, when you silence people by lying about them, your speech is a threat to free speech. By prote…

The only ones who are attempting to silence people are the Twitter mob and the journalists who are aligned with them. That article is pure propaganda.

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> Hosting providers MUST be forced to provide a platform for everyone and anyone against the will of the provider. It SHALL NOT matter how many people their customers brag about driving to suicide. Nor should the hosting provider take into consideration harassment campaigns orchestrated by users of their platforms. -- Stallman, probably? /endsarcasm

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> the driving-people-to-suicide thing is a lie.

Here's a former FBI Asst. Dir. asserting that they do [0] (archive link in case it's removed [1]). I'll grant you that the government can and has lied, but all of this seems a lot like one side full of tremendously shitty people saying they're not guilty, and the other side saying the opposite. In the absence of definitive proof, I'll go with character.

[0] https://twitter.com/FrankFigliuzzi1/status/15664385387652792...

[1] https://web.archive.org/web/20220905075857/https://twitter.c...

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It's not hard to feel bad for anyone getting censored/booted off the Internet. I see that "Gossithedog" lives in England, which - I reckon - makes it impossible for him to understand the value of free speech. The US is one of few countries on the planet where "freedom of speech" is a protected right (a list that doesn't include England). We're collectively worse off when the pitchforks come out and the mob allowed to…

I often hear this argument, but the US is currently on a much clearer trajectory towards increased authoritarianism than most EU countries/CANZUK despite all of this freedom. The situation is more complicated than just straightforward definitions of what freedom is. What really matters is not edge cases where some forum or other is banned, but whether your society is populated with authoritarian ideologies and to wha…

> What really matters is not edge cases…

That’s what 100% matters.

I’ve seen multiple civil rights attorneys say this because that’s who they go after to set the precedent to erode everyone’s rights. So they have to defend kiddypornographers and neo-nazis and everyone else common people don’t care if the government tramples all over their rights.

Like the iPhone hacking thing the fbi was trying to force apple to do, literally no one cared about some dead terrorist so they chose that case to set the precedent that they could force a company to defeat the security of their product.

Nobody gives a shit about Kiwi Farms and everyone has sympathy for Keffals but that’s not what any of this is about.

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The word "Nazi" seems to have expanded in meaning a lot recently, not sure the 1940s Germans would recognize these people as Nazis.

For many, the word just means anyone you disagree with now.

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Is it too early to say the internet is done for because it's looking that way to me. keffals has given the government the recipe to kill off any website they want gone. I'm hearing that keffals creatures are now attacking TOR to get them to drop kiwi too.

This isn't going to stop, 4chan is definitely next then every other site that isn't mainstream.

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> the driving-people-to-suicide thing is a lie. Here's a former FBI Asst. Dir. asserting that they do [0] (archive link in case it's removed [1]). I'll grant you that the government can and has lied, but all of this seems a lot like one side full of tremendously shitty people saying they're not guilty, and the other side saying the opposite. In the absence of definitive proof, I'll go with character. [0] https://twit…

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I think you're being gullible here. Look at what was actually on that site and the many others that have been shut down rather than relying on reports from their enemies (oh wait, the whole point is to make it so you can't do this). When this hit Hacker news I actually went onto kiwifarms to find out what it was like because I suspected it would be killed soon. The descriptions given by most hackernews commentators d…

I've been on there when some harrassment stuff has came up in the past and have seen some threads. It's probably 0.00x% of it's posts but it's also what it's famous for.
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