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Re: Kiwi Farms is down across all domains as DDoS-Guard terminates service

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Post by LinuxBender »

prvit wrote: post #5
tony-allan wrote: post #3

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I suspect that a TOR service is easy to DDOS. Anyone know if that's true?

Yes, Tor services are particularly easy to DoS and there's pretty much nothing the DoS recipient can do about it.

If they have the time and are willing to put in the effort, they can create a myriad of Tor onion servers that are just nginx proxy-cache nodes that forward over a VPN mesh to their application servers. The end-users would have to be aware of all the onion cache servers somehow or their application would have to load balance people across them and keep some unannounced and cycle some in and out.

Re: Kiwi Farms is down across all domains as DDoS-Guard terminates service

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Post by fullstop »

nemo44x wrote: post #52
fullstop wrote: post #42

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Kevin has been hammering on them for many days now, and for good reason. Everyone has a different line in the sand. For me, a platform designed to promote hate speech crosses that line.

What is hate speech? Was Charlie Hebdo hate speech? Rushdie? A lot of people certainly think so. I see hate speech across nearly every internet platform including this one. There’s no shortage of hate speech against wealthy people or white men, etc. Is that allowed?

I'm not here to define hate speech, and I think that you'd agree that HN was not designed to encourage and promote hate speech.

You absolutely can not say the same thing of Kiwifarms. Let's not be deliberately obtuse here.

Re: Kiwi Farms is down across all domains as DDoS-Guard terminates service

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Post by flumpcakes »

pjc50 wrote: post #81
flumpcakes wrote: post #46

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I've browsed through kiwifarms and they seem to say horrible stuff about people but in my sample I haven't seen anyone directing action against someone. It was a good source of information that was omitted from the press regarding a recent case in the UK about terminal medical care. I saw some nasty comments about the person, but in the few hundred forum pages no calls to action or threats made against the people. Is…

> It was a good source of information that was omitted from the press regarding a recent case in the UK about terminal medical care Was this information omitted because it was false or libelous, perhaps? How did you verify it was actually true?

I don't believe so. I think it was omitted because if it was published in the press (TV and newspapers) there would have been a public outcry of indecency.

Funnily enough though, while you couldn't see the facts that were glossed over/not reported, you could see the same opinions echoed (without some of the strong language/nastiness) in the public "have your say" parts of the "mainstream news" as Kiwifarms forum members. So their opinions were widely shared with regular people.

I assume this is why some people say that Facebook is a better news source than the "mainstream news". I don't agree on that, but I do like to see all of the _facts_ regardless if they would hurt feelings.

Kiwifarms has a lot of hatred and nasty comments, but I tune that out. As I said, I've seen worse on Twitter/Facebook/Youtube comments.

> How did you verify it was actually true?

The same information was published in other places, just not on the TV/newspapers where I read 95% of my news.

Re: Kiwi Farms is down across all domains as DDoS-Guard terminates service

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Post by prvit »

LinuxBender wrote: post #91
prvit wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, Tor services are particularly easy to DoS and there's pretty much nothing the DoS recipient can do about it.

If they have the time and are willing to put in the effort, they can create a myriad of Tor onion servers that are just nginx proxy-cache nodes that forward over a VPN mesh to their application servers. The end-users would have to be aware of all the onion cache servers somehow or their application would have to load balance people across them and keep some unannounced and cycle some in and out.

This isn't meaningfully different from using onionbalance, the attackers will still be at a significant advantage.

Re: Kiwi Farms is down across all domains as DDoS-Guard terminates service

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Post by noasaservice »

concordDance wrote: post #67
that_guy_iain wrote: post #45

The thing is, it's hard to feel bad for kiwifarms. They seem to be one of the worst sites there are. But freedom of speech/expression/opinions aren't about defending those who speech/expression/opinions you like but all of them. Personally, I think the site being shutdown is a good thing. But it's hard to look at the fact a few corporations can remove a website from the internet and think this is good for a free and…

I treat these sites as cannaries. As long as they exist I can be confident that censorship isn't too bad, as they start to get shut down I start to worry. First the came for the X and I was not an X etc etc...

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Re: Kiwi Farms is down across all domains as DDoS-Guard terminates service

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Post by prvit »

maccam912 wrote: post #22

Something I'm curious about in this whole thing: who is DDoSing kiwifarms? Most people find their content reprehensible but does that usually translate into people DDoSing something?

I don't think anyone is actually DDoSing kiwifarms at any significant scale.

If they end up running the site on a server with no DDoS filtering at all, people will probably DoS them because it will be super easy.

Re: Kiwi Farms is down across all domains as DDoS-Guard terminates service

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Post by squabbles »

_dain_ wrote: post #59
oneplane wrote: post #11

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Kiwifarms is not a "nazi website". There's a whole subforum devoted to documenting and mocking the alt right and its weird personalities.

Two of the "lolcows" prominently featured on the front page are Ethan Ralph and Nick Fuentes. They're not nazis (they're antisocial morons), but anybody who would call the KiwiFarms a nazi site would call them nazis. The News's approach to Fuentes has been to pearlclutch and basically make him look cool to the young guys he recruits for his political cult. If anyone remembers all the embarrassing stuff that came out about him recently, guess where that information came from. Genuinely the KiwiFarms does a better job of keeping people from falling for fringe politics than the people who set out to do that. Sometimes laughter is the best medicine.
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