Maybe there needs to be a self-hosting association/union that self-hosters can join? It could advocate for adherence to open standards, and an equal standing for small servers. It could also be a repository of advice for current best practise in small server administration and configuration. Should it be under the auspices of an existing group such as FreedomBox?
After self-hosting my email for twenty-three years I have thrown in the towel
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Re: After self-hosting my email for twenty-three years I have thrown in the towel
#552Maybe there needs to be a self-hosting association/union that self-hosters can join? It could advocate for adherence to open standards, and an equal standing for small servers. It could also be a repository of advice for current best practise in small server administration and configuration. Should it be under the auspices of an existing group such as FreedomBox?
+1. Maybe it should be like ham radio, where the association tries to police its own members.
Re: After self-hosting my email for twenty-three years I have thrown in the towel
#553All that "security" just to fight spam. IIRC it was estimated that globally spammers make $300M per year from their spam. It doesn't seem like much. Somebody joked that it would be better if we just paid them that much to do nothing.
Transaction costs! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coase_theorem
Re: After self-hosting my email for twenty-three years I have thrown in the towel
#554For those who might choose to run their own email these days, you don't have to postfix + dovecot: https://github.com/foxcpp/maddy https://blitiri.com.ar/p/chasquid/ These options are much easier to set up, will do things like generate DKIM for you, etc. I talk about this a lot[0]. There are positively awesome tools for email out there. [EDIT] - Since I'm repeating myself I've collected all the options into a post[1]…
Good point but maddy's README says "IMAP storage is beta" and AFAICT some of the other suggestions don't support SPF+DKIM out of the box.
The ecosystem can definitely use more work, but I've found maddy to be really good, because it's all in one, makes very reasonable choices, and is easy to configure.
I put maddy first because it's what I personally use (without dovecot) -- I make sure to back it up as well, and that's enough for me/most people, I think. It's the closest to the whole package which doesn't rely on.
Oh you know what, I completely forgot about iRedMail:
I haven't run this, but it's another great option when combined with SoGo.
Re: After self-hosting my email for twenty-three years I have thrown in the towel
#555Maybe there needs to be a self-hosting association/union that self-hosters can join? It could advocate for adherence to open standards, and an equal standing for small servers. It could also be a repository of advice for current best practise in small server administration and configuration. Should it be under the auspices of an existing group such as FreedomBox?
I really like this Idea and would love to join such an organization!
Re: After self-hosting my email for twenty-three years I have thrown in the towel
#556Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is it that difficult to grasp that there's a "depends" option between "optional" and "not optional"? Nobody really forces you to use HTTPS either, it's not a "monopolizing" standard if someone doesn't trust you without. And again, if you have a way of establishing just as much trust without such a labour-intensive/expensive verification process, please do share.
> Nobody really forces you to use HTTPS either Yet, in practice, that is exactly what both Chrome and Firefox are trying to do.
Good
Re: After self-hosting my email for twenty-three years I have thrown in the towel
#557Part of the problem is that the wrong people are complaining. Using Google as an example, the author has no right to push anything to a gmail inbox. Google has no contract with the author to accept mail from him. What Google is doing, it's failing its customers, the people who signed on gmail to have an address where other people could send data to. And now those people are not receiving everything they could, but it…
I didn't see any reference to freedom of speech in the article.
Re: After self-hosting my email for twenty-three years I have thrown in the towel
#558Maybe there needs to be a self-hosting association/union that self-hosters can join? It could advocate for adherence to open standards, and an equal standing for small servers. It could also be a repository of advice for current best practise in small server administration and configuration. Should it be under the auspices of an existing group such as FreedomBox?
Great idea.
As you say though, there are existing groups. EFF[0] comes to mind. They advocated for net neutrality back in the day.
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#559The domestic ISP I use has all its IP ranges assigned to spamhaus's Policy Block List. https://www.spamhaus.org/pbl/
However, the ISP does operate its own SMTP proxy that's free to use. So I can send and receive emails using home IP address.
Re: After self-hosting my email for twenty-three years I have thrown in the towel
#560Earlier quoted context omitted.
>the Internet was created so that there could be many independent nodes, not so that everybody has to rely on one of several blessed providers. any community that grows large enough needs some mechanism to manage trust, this is a universal issue. The early internet was more permissive and less differentiated simply because it was smaller. The big corps do an alright job at managing spam given the sheer size of the pr…
spam is solved between the big players, they already use various feedback mechanisms ... it's just not enabled for small fish. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feedback_loop_(email) gmail silently drops emails (while reports smtp 250 accepted) - they could just as easily report that it's blackholed. spammers already do get through their fancy AI filters. microsoft proactively blocks half of the world, rejects the incomi…
Use Microsoft or Google. Use your own domain. Know how to spin up the other quickly. Spend your time on things that matter.